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"content": " Thank you. I will now teach you."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " I put it to you that there is a difference between the statement ‘to pay’ and ‘to refund.’ Therefore, because you have preserved English for us, the lawyers, I put it to you that the two words have different meanings. Yes?"
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"content": " I, therefore, put it to you that paying is different from refunding."
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"content": " Therefore, I further put it to you that the word ‘payment’ being used here is the corruption and bribery for your son to succeed with a job. Yes?"
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