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"content": " Unless hon. Senators have questions."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Counsel, before you do, we have a few interventions. I wanted some clarity on two issues. This concern is addressed to Senior Counsel Katwa Kigen. Could you tell me what conclusions you wanted this House to draw from that cross-examination on the witness’s gambling history? Secondly, I want to know from the defence whether there is an admission or it is the position of the defence that a crime was committed and, therefore, the witness is a criminal."
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"content": " Before SC Katwa Kigen responds to that, if there are any clarifications that hon. Members would want to get from the respective counsels, we will limit to two minutes per person so that we keep time and go ahead. Senior Counsel Katwa Kigen, you have the Floor?"
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"content": " Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the two questions that have been put to me, we pray that the Senate draws its conclusion based on the data on the gambling. All we are asking is to treat the testimony of the complainant with circumspection. We would want you to take what he says with an amount of caution that he is not necessarily saying the truth. Also, from where he comes, he is inclined to get things freely and cheaply. On the question of him having admitted a crime meaning that we are admitting the crime, we are not making any admission. We are merely saying that in the quest that he has put in his letter of complaint, he is determined to have the Deputy Governor punished to a point that he is prepared to incriminate himself and make an admission of having committed a crime. He is ready to shoot his foot, provided that he gets the Deputy Governor punished. That is the sense in which we are raising the point of his admission of the crime. We are also saying that you should treat him with circumspection. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I hope I have answered the questions. I thank you."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Onyonka."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this is a question I want to ask the young gentleman. I realised that all the transactions you were making were done at night. Was there a reason? Why that was the case?"
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"speaker_name": "Mr. Dennis Mokaya Misati",
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Deputy Governor called us to his home between seven heading to eight. That was when we went to his home. We sat there until 9.00 p.m. and then left his home."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Sen. Joe Nyutu is not in. We can have Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my question is to SC Katwa Kigen. The witness has attempted to demonstrate the facilitation of Kshs800,000. You have challenged the witness and given the impression that the witness was involved in criminal activities. Counsel, can you help me? If you want me to believe by dint of that suggestion that the witness is a criminal, are you, therefore, admitting that the recipient, who is the Deputy Governor, is equally criminally implicated?"
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