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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to get some clarity from the Counsel for the defense. Other than the date on page 137, which is the HANSARD Report, is the contention of the defense, the Counsel for governor, that this document is not a true reflection of what happened in the Assembly on 29th February, 2024. Secondly, on the same document, I can see references at page 211 and 217 to Mr. Katwa Kigen, the same lawyer appearing before us. If he was present in the House, he can clear up. I want to ask him one thing. He has told us here that the evidence of a known gambler: somebody who participates in sports betting, is something to be taken with circumspection."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Wakili Sigei",
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"content": " Sen. Sifuna---"
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"legal_name": "Sifuna Edwin Watenya",
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"content": "Let me put the question."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Wakili Sigei",
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"content": " Yes."
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"content": "I am at page 217 of the HANSARD. I want to know if it is true that this is what Mr. Katwa Kigen said. There is a paragraph at the top there, where he says or is reported to have been saying, “Hon. Members, I pray that you do take this view that a question of bribery is a question of choosing who to believe. Do you want to believe a 68 years old retired man who has been friends with Dr. Monda for 32 years and saying this is not a bribe or a young gentleman who is saying it is a bribe?” I want Mr. Katwa Kigen to clarify whether indeed the evidence of a young man should also be taken with the same circumspection that he claims evidence from a gambler should be taken. Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Wakili Sigei",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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"content": " Senior Counsel, Mr. Katwa Kigen, respond to those questions by Sen. Sifuna."
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"speaker_name": "Mr. Katwa Kigen",
"speaker_title": "The Counsel for the Deputy Governor",
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"content": " Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my point is that the HANSARD has been manipulated. It is not an accurate representation of what happened in terms of--- If the events resulting the adjournment were events of 21st which should be the actual date, why would the report be headed the date of the argument, the defense and the voting when it did not happen on that date? All I am saying is that when you look at that HANSARD, it should enrich our argument that there is a certain strong force within the Assembly, incorporating my good friend, Hon. Siocha, who are very determined to have the deputy governor impeached"
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"type": "speech",
"speaker_name": "Mr. Katwa Kigen",
"speaker_title": "The Counsel for the Deputy Governor",
"speaker": null,
"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Mr. Katwa Kigen",
"speaker_title": "The Counsel for the Deputy Governor",
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"content": "and are prepared to manage the Hansard. This is because the HANSARD is supposed to speak for itself. It is not supposed to be a document that you would come and say that it has typographical errors. We have concerns about the way the HANSARD was reported and that is part of the malice against the Deputy Governor. On the issue of the arguments, I made at page 217; I stand by them and I intend to make the same arguments at the end of these proceedings. I will say that here is Mr. and Mrs Misati. Mr. Misati is 68 years old and his son is 37 years old. This is not a case where anybody is coming to say there was money, a forgery of a document--- This is not documentary evidence, but a question of one word against the other. What I have been trying to tell the Assembly and will be requesting this Senate to do is to see the extent to which this case entirely rests on and whom to believe. We will pray that you choose to believe the father who is 68 years old together with his wife, vis-a-vis what the son is saying. More so, when it is aggravated by the point where the son says he was not present when the discussions were had and cannot say for a fact whether or not the money was discussed as being a bribe or a refund."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Wakili Sigei",
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"speaker": null,
"content": " Very well, you have answered the question. Proceed, Sen. Orwoba."
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