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"content": "Thank you, Temporary Madam Speaker. We have never had any cash transactions between me and the deputy governor. Not in cash, not in my Mpesa."
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"content": " Senator Murgor, do you still want to raise any questions?"
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"content": "Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I have two questions for the witness. One is, what did you see in your message? Did you see Kshs.100, 000 or did you see a name with it such that you are comfortable overnight with the money and not uncomfortable such that you would seek as to who is the sender and probably send it back? So, what made you comfortable to just have it with you overnight? Then my second question is, what influence do you have over the Board such that the deputy governor would seek your help to be able to help him position this applicant?"
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Question number one, in line with what influence, being a Board Member, I am the Managing Director of the Company. I would probably think that he felt that I could be able to influence because by virtue of the office that I hold as the Managing Director and I sit in the Board, he felt that maybe I could be able to influence. It is by virtue of the position that I hold. Question number two: The comfort in which I stayed with the money at night, I clearly stated the money was sent to me at 2134 hrs. It was a Sunday night. This is my boss in the county. I would not have called him at that particular time. The following day was a Monday. That is why I called him during the official working hours. Thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " Hon. Senators, we still have a list. I want to give an opportunity to Sen. Sifuna, but I request that if a question has already been answered, we do not repeat it because most likely you get the same answer. Sen. Sifuna?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, at the beginning of this proceeding, there were certain admissions that were made by the counsel for the deputy governor. Most important of which was that, yes, they accept money was received, but it was not for the purposes stated by the prosecution, but that it was for repayment of a debt. Now, Senior Counsel Katwa Kigen, at page 189, where we have excerpts of the HANSARD of the proceedings before the County Assembly, is it not a fact that there was indeed another admission before the county assembly? You will see the question you put to him there. Did you talk to Lucy about that request about your friend, Mr. Joseph Misati? Is it not a fact if the answer is to be believed that, in fact, this question of whether the deputy governor spoke to the Managing Director at GWASCO, on this request or not, has already been made? Or is it your position, as you have stated before, that the HANSARD has been doctored? I thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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"content": " Proceed."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Mr. Katwa Kigen",
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"content": " Our position is that, no, we do not say that that part of the HANSARD has been doctored. We do not contest that. We do not contest that bit of the HANSARD. We are saying that the money was erroneously sent to Lucy, yet it was meant to be sent to Ms. Gladys. We contest the position taken by Ms. Lucy, that she was summoned. It is our position that they met casually and, the deputy governor said in passing that, “a friend of mine's son has applied” and that Ms. Lucy, in response, said exactly what she has said now, that “if he qualifies well and good” and nothing beyond that casual comment. The issue of being summoned is not true. The Deputy Governor will testify to that tomorrow."
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"content": " Thank you, Counsel. Sen. Orwoba, you may proceed, and I will have to make a decision on whether we proceed, or---"
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