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"speaker_name": "Mr. Elias Mutuma",
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"content": " In instances where the event was to take place at the subcounty headquarters, is it not natural that the subcounty administration would usher in the guest? Is that the position?"
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"content": "Yes. They could usher in because mostly, when it is done in the headquarters, sometimes they are told to arrange for the public participation. The arrangement include bringing the chairs and allowing us to use the facility. Then when the public participation ends, after they have organised where the public participation is, if it is for the Assembly, their engagement ends there."
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"speaker_name": "Mr. Elias Mutuma",
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"content": " Thank you. To my last limp of this questioning, did you have an opportunity to interact with the allegations in the Notice of Motion for Impeachment and conduct your own investigations on the allegations? If so, what was the nature of your interaction?"
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"content": "Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker, I had an opportunity to engage and do my own investigations. That was after Hon. Siocha requested me to second the Motion. Since I represent special interest groups, I voluntarily decided to, first of all, familiarise myself with the issues. I wanted to know whether what they were saying was correct. So, I went ahead and requested for the number of Dennis from Hon. Siocha. I then requested him to be in the company of the wife because I did not want to talk to Dennis alone. They made arrangements and we met in town. They took me through the process of how they struggled to raise the money. What pained me is that the lady was expectant after struggling for 12 years. I am a woman and I know what women go through sometimes, particularly when you cannot conceive. The lady called Nyaboke sat and narrated how they even had to separate shortly with the husband because she could not contain whatever she was going through. This gave me a motivation and I thought that being a woman representing the youth and Persons with Disabilities (PwDs), I had to rise to the occasion. I decided to take it upon myself to second this Motion. Whatever Dennis and the wife went through, I am standing here as a woman painfully explaining. A Member of County Assembly (MCA) earns Kshs86,000. I ask myself as an MCA who is struggling to take her children to school, how long will I save to give a bribe of Kshs800,000, if somebody asked me to give them that money? That touched me. When I was contributing to this Motion in the House, I said that I do not want to talk about the law, but speak to the morals. Where is our society now? I earn Kshs86,000 but somebody tells me to give them Kshs800,000. Where will I get it? That pained me. I voluntarily promised to walk with them this journey, that justice must be served to Nyaboke and Dennis. That is my conviction and that is why I stand in this Senate patiently wanting to convince---"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Thang’wa",
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Thang’wa",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " What is your point of order, Sen. Thang’wa?"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Thang’wa",
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, it is almost 10.00 p.m. The witness should stick to the issues because we did not come here for preaching and debates. We want to be directed to the issues as submitted. It is not a matter of emotions because we do not vote based on emotions, but based on facts. Could she restrain herself to answering the questions? When it comes to preaching, we will be ready."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " Counsel, on that point of order, I believe you have filled documents, including statements and affidavits from the witnesses."
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"content": "Point of order!"
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