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"content": "episode here and, I wanted to ask the witness, on Page 36 of Volume I, on Masimba Ward. Were there no members of the public who were at the venue when the secretariat arrived? What can she say about that? The second question is, how many people of those who participated were in support of the Deputy Governor or who were against the Deputy Governor? That is why public participation is required. Can she explain to us?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, in the Masimba Ward Report, it is indicated that there were no members. When it is not properly advertised, public participation becomes an issue because you will realise that not many people read newspapers. So, sometimes it is possible that the people of Masimba Ward did not get to see the advert in the newspaper because we were not doing local advertisements from local stations. It was the newspaper that was being used. So, I am assuming that it could have been possible, but most people were not able to reach out to this advert. On the second question of how many were for the Deputy Governor and how many were for impeachment. I will say that the majority, about 80 per cent, were for the impeachment and 20 per cent were, of course, in defence of the Deputy Governor."
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"content": " Sen. Karungo Thang’wa?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, my question goes to the witness, Hon. Karen Magara. What could have been better? Is it to have you here and comment in support of those who give a public opinion or them to appear here as witnesses, especially the old man who said that his land was almost taken by the Deputy Governor? Could it not be better to have him as a witness, so that we can ask more questions and cross-examine him, rather than a video of him just mentioning something, and then it is done? Finally, if you look at the County Assembly, Volume 1, the same old man on Page 283 signed an agreement with the Deputy Governor to have that land or to buy that land in July, 2022. That was even before he was elected as the Deputy Governor. So, my question is, now that he got back his land, the agreement was cancelled, and he owes the Deputy Governor Kshs350,000, could we say that he wants to finish that deal, not pay the Deputy Governor his money because he owes the Deputy Governor Kshs350,000?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, on the first question on who is supposed to appear in the Senate. Remember that we have our Lead Counsel here. Maybe those are the well-placed people to say what necessitated picking others and why others were left out."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Question number two, about the land balance of the Deputy Governor---"
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"content": " On the land question, maybe a different person will be better placed to answer it."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " Senator, that could be directed to a different person such as the counsel. Counsel, kindly respond to the second question as opposed to the witness responding to it."
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