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"content": " Counsel, you have made your point."
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is the second limb of what he was asking that what becomes of public participation. Public participation in itself is a wild animal. You would not know what will come out of it. However, my position is that if in the public participation, someone was to say that they had been victims of corruption from the same person facing an impeachment, that should then be a stand-alone case that goes back to the Assembly. It cannot be a basis of a case before the Senate because you will be placing the subject of the impeachment in a situation where he has no chance of responding to the new allegation brought in through the public participation."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, if the evidence collected from the public participation was to say that person was present when the M-Pesa was being sent to Lucy Wahito or when Dennis was paying the bribe, that can in a way be accommodated. However, when he says that he was also asked for a bribe, then that is a new case, which should go through the whole process of impeachment, right from the point of Notice of Motion, Motion and so forth."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is my answer."
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"content": " Sen. Orwoba."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to bring to the attention of the House the issue of expunging certain submissions. It is imperative that we understand that the individual on trial here is the Deputy Governor. I am looking at some of the submissions and where we are being pulled towards. For instance, the reference on page 56, we are told that we have to listen to certain issues that have been submitted with regards to the Governor’s wife. We have all seen previously, we have tried as Senate to stay away from the issue of the office of the First Lady or the First Gentleman. More often than not, including in this submission that I have heard being discussed in terms of being expunged, it is a way of disgracing this House for focusing on the charges. The charges before us are four. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "They are of gross violation, abuse of office, gross misconduct and crimes under the national law. None of these charges are directing us to the wife of the Governor. Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you make that ruling, I implore that you understand this issue of the office of the First Lady and the First Gentleman is often being used to bring non- issues to this House. I point out to both parties that first of all, the Governor’s wife is not going to appear before us. It is not forming part of this impeachment. If you can therefore guide that we do not reduce to discuss matters of patriarchy or feminism or the issue of the First Lady. The person who is here is the Deputy Governor and we should limit our discussion on whether this particular impeachment has weight to impeach a deputy governor and leave away the issue of trying to bring about the spouse of a governor or any other person in this impeachment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Olekina."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to bring to your attention, Rule 30."
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"content": " You have less than two minutes under Rule 23."
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