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"content": "Yes, Hon. Makali. I will come to you Hon. Mbui"
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I want to make my contribution to this Bill which has been forwarded to us by the Senate. I have listened to the Mover and the Seconder. They suggest that even though there are some areas they do not agree with as a Committee, for now we can just move on and approve The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "them. It is important for us to note that if we do that automatically it means the coming Finance Bill will not be able to address the issues because if this is assented to in another one month, we will still require not less than six months to propose and pass an amendment. It is important to note that, that will be happening in the next Finance Bill. So that means whatever is not convenient to Kenyans, then we have to live with that for about one year. There is a matter the Senate has raised which I brought up. I am happy that the Senate has picked it. The matter concerning targeting. Once the houses are done, do we have some affirmative action in place to make sure that Kenyans who are unable to pay the required deposits will still get the houses? Today, I am a very happy Member of Parliament because the Senate has picked that. Once we pass the amendments, we will be sure that out of the total number of houses to be constructed, there will be a share for Kenyans who cannot at all afford them. Whatever share that they will be given, it will be upon them to plan and see how they can access that share. What does that imply? It implies that at the end of the day not the rich or the middle class Kenyans will take up all the houses. We have said many times that we are using public land to construct the houses and once they are complete, they will be sold to individuals or private sector. That is subsidising the houses when they are sold to the private persons. If we do not accommodate low income earning Kenyans, it will be unfair and that will be discrimination in terms of who benefits. I am happy that, that has been picked by the Senate. The other critical matter is the issue where if you do not remit the money, you are charged 3 per cent penalty. The Chairman of the Committee has come out very clearly that we should treat this matter just like we treat taxes so that if there is a delay in paying the tax, let this matter be treated the same. But unfortunately, we are saying we are going to accommodate that 3 per cent in the form it is. This means that for the next one year anybody who has been delaying the payment of that levy then has to face the consequences of paying 3 per cent penalty. This is an area I wish we amend. The other proposal is to bring on board Public Works and the NCA. The NCA is a regulatory authority so, I do not know how we are bringing them on board. Is it in terms of implementation or is it in terms of quality assurance? The NCA currently is designed to implement. Mostly they just oversee and make sure that standards are met. Bringing NCA and public works on board is an area I would wish that we make it very clear in the Bill on what role NCA will be playing. Otherwise, it will not make sense for the NCA, which is a regulatory authority, to become an implementer in this arrangement."
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"content": "With those many remarks, I support."
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"content": "Thank you."
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"content": "Hon. Robert Mbui, the Member for Kathiani."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity. Democracy is very interesting because I opposed this Bill in its totality when it was presented to the National Assembly. Now, the same Bill went to the Senate and has been brought back with amendments. This shows that probably, the Senate was listening to some of the issues we raised when we indicated that this Bill is flawed. In future, we should listen to each other here so that the Senate does not notice some basic mistakes we make because we cannot talk to each other. I hoped that the Senate would reject this Bill and save Kenyans from the burden. The Senate was established to protect devolution. Earlier on, I said that this Bill should have been a Senate Bill. The National Assembly is only mandated to deal with the national Government. Now, we have gone into the implementation of how people will get houses and how these houses will be put up. This is the work of the Senate. I hoped that the Senate would have protected devolution and insisted that this should be handled by the county governments. In The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "my opinion, the national Government’s involvement was unconstitutional and still is unconstitutional. They had some vague issues to clarify such as how people will benefit from these houses and how the valuation of the houses will be determined. I raised these concerns and pointed out that it was unfortunate that developers were building houses at a cheaper cost than these affordable houses. I also questioned the location of these houses as our rural communities may not be interested in them. Perhaps it would be better to focus on building affordable housing in urban areas and major cities. The other issue is the repayment period. These are some of the things that the Senate should have addressed. It is disappointing that the Senate has also become another choir for the Executive. The only difference is that they sing Soprano as the National Assembly sings base. Unfortunately, the two Houses have become a rubber stamp for the Executive. We have to be careful that we do not pass Bills that end up in court. There are major issues in this Bill that will take us back to court. Land is a big issue. Most of the places where these houses are being built have ownership disputes. How will we tackle this problem so that we have seamless implementation? Once this becomes an Act of Parliament, we are all bound to respect and implement it. We have to be careful about what we pass in this House. The other time we passed a policy here to send our policemen to Haiti. The Prime Minister of Haiti came here and signed a document with the Head of State and he could not even land back into his own country. We have to think through these issues. We also passed the Finance Bill of 2023 and the same Members who were shouting “yes” are now telling the villages that the Bill was flawed. The same thing will happen with this Affordable Housing Bill. Now you are shouting “yes” and tomorrow you will be telling the hustlers that there was a mistake. Even the Deputy President said that the Finance Bill of 2023 was flawed. I hope you do not tell us the same about this Bill. With those remarks, my position remains the same; I oppose."
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