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"speaker_name": "Suna East, ODM",
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"content": "cabinet secretaries and principal secretaries who are in the Constitution. How do we listen to people who have been created through a statute or by hand? I cannot waste my four hours in a Committee to listen to someone whom I have just created like children created through test tubes. Let me tell you something, it is not proper to have these CASs who will earn over Ksh1 million."
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"content": " Hon. Naomi Waqo is on her feet on a point of order."
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"speaker_name": "Marsabit County, UDA",
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"content": " I have a lot of respect for my brother, Hon. Junet Mohammed. Is it right for him to refer to Kenyans; the CASs, as test tube babies? Surely, that is very wrong."
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"speaker_name": "Marsabit County, UDA",
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"content": "I do not know the people who will be appointed or those who will be there although he says that he already knows them. Is it right for him to refer to grown-ups in that manner?"
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"content": " Hon Junet Mohammed, you cannot refer to people that way."
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"speaker_name": "Suna East, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Junet Mohamed",
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"content": " I have heard my sister very well. However, you see children can come through many ways. They can come biologically or through test tubes. Cabinet secretaries and principal secretaries are coming biologically, CASs test-tube- wise. It is the way you take or understand it. We are creating 22 offices in a statute that will cost Kenyans billions of shillings. A CAS will earn over Ksh1 million or something close to that. He or she will have transport, a car assigned, offices, staff and all manner of packages that come with it. Not now in this country, when the whole of the Kenya Kwanza Government is talking about reviving the economy. They are saying this economy is in the doldrums and they are trying to revive it. Is this the right time to create such offices at the expense of Kenyans who are suffering and being taxed? No! Our conscience, as a House, must say no. The President can give the 22 people other jobs. The Government is like an elephant. The President can hide you somewhere inside there and earn as much as you want. An office does not have to be created. I can tell you without any fear of contradiction that if we go this way, very soon they will table another Bill to create offices for other people, religious people, and Muslim and Christian leaders, to pray for us every day. We cannot go that way as a country. We gave ourselves a Constitution that came through the sweat and blood of the people of Kenya. We proscribed all offices and functions in the Constitution."
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"speaker_name": "Suna East, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Junet Mohamed",
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"content": "Secondly, if you want to address the unconstitutionality of the CASs you should bring a constitutional amendment Bill. Do not bring a statute. Do not address something that needs to be addressed in the Constitution through a statute! For God's sake, if we form government as of today, we will have a constitutional review. We provided those things in the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI). In the BBI, we proposed to have deputy president, but Kenyans rejected. We now want to create offices that are supposed to be constitutional through a statute. This issue should go to a referendum so that people can decide if we need a deputy president or a deputy minister among others. But if every day we are going to sneak a Bill here so that we satisfy certain quarters, I am not going to be party to it. I beseech my colleagues here, let our conscience now prevail. Kenyans gave us the mandate to legislate on their behalf. Let us not be used as a rubber stamp. Once this Bill is..."
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"content": " We are running out of time. I will give you one minute."
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"speaker_name": "Suna East, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Junet Mohamed",
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"content": " In conclusion, if we do things the way we are doing now, we will betray the will of the people. The people of Kenya did not send us to this House so that we can legislate and create statutes that form unconstitutional offices. No! The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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