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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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"content": "integrity in its management. I say so because, more often than not, public institutions are consumed by the integrity issues that are common in the public sector. I think that is a good thing to pursue. We see it in Kenya Airways. The Chairperson also mentioned the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR). I always hope that I will stop seeing those big tankers on the roads, so that all those goods are actually transported by SGR. That is a diversion. That recommendation is good. The other recommendation is that they have a lot of land which they can sell to offset some of their debts and be self-sufficient. It can be privatized and necessary caution put in place. If it is privatized, there should be majority shareholding by the Government so that we can stabilize and protect it. I am really happy with the Report. The Committee found that the Managing Director of EPRA was kind-of a victim of witch-hunt and recommended that, that person should continue working. We must be careful not to destabilize officers because of where they come from. Finally, the issue of unsecured land holdings in Government institutions is a big one, and the Report has brought it out clearly. It is not only in those institutions because many primary and secondary schools’ lands are not secured as those institutions do not have title deeds. Those pieces of land can be lost. They can become subject of land grabbing. I support the recommendation that those pieces of land should be secured. This recommendation is not only on East Africa Portland Cement land, but also on all the other Government institutions. We must be careful because during those processes, some pieces of land might be lost. With those remarks, I support the Report."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Let us hear Hon. Beatrice Elachi, who will be followed by Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo."
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"speaker_name": "Dagoretti North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Beatrice Elachi",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Report and to thank the Committee for the work they have done. The Report is looking at 2017/2018, 2018/2019, 2019/2020 and 2020/2021 financial years, and I think this is why our country is always in a crisis. As we bring the Reports to the House or when the Auditor-General is going through them, time has definitely lapsed. Many things were wrongfully done at that time and you do even know where the institutions are at the moment. We are discussing those institutions in 2024 by looking at their audit reports and trying to look for support mechanisms that can rectify some of the queries raised by the Auditor-General. Hon. Temporary Speaker, if we want to move forward as a country, we must have a system where the Auditor-General has some semblance of the happenings in those institutions before fully auditing them. This will enable the Auditor-General to give us a summary of the institution at the time of audit. On the Competition Authority of Kenya, the Report states that the Authority is supposed to promote and protect effective competition in markets. It has a clear mandate in terms of promotion and enforcement of compliance in competition as per the Act. However, as part of their major achievements, they state that during the COVID19 period, they facilitated an investment of over Ksh140 billion into the national economy. Through reduction in the number of days taken to analyse the mergers, they also facilitated the implementation of Article 46 of the Constitution on consumer welfare by expediting an estimated Ksh12.4 million in consumer savings. They enhanced competition in the market, leading to among others, lower consumer prices. Why am I saying that the Auditor- General needs to help us? It is because they are telling us that everything was good but so far, those achievements have been overtaken by events. Things are more expensive. They claim to have facilitated the recovery of delayed payments, but we have since moved on. If we want to see the economy recover, there has to be a different way and mechanisms of dealing with this. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Dagoretti North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Beatrice Elachi",
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"content": "In as much as they had given us a very clean bill of health at that time, where is the consumer today? This is the question that all of us would be asking the Competition and Markets Authority. Today, things are not the way they were. As we bring this Report, it is important for us to always question how we would explain it in terms of the current times. As we give this to Kenyans, we must tell them that these are reports for financial years 2017/2018 and 2018/2019. Therefore, when people hear of good reports, they should not question Parliament. They can see how things are tough. The economy is struggling. It is recovering at a slow pace. The exchange rate of the US Dollar to the Kenya Shilling is very high. On page 98 of the Report, we have an issue of the East African Portland Company. There is a case which I do not know whether they have finalized or not. They have explained how everything is happening in Portland and more importantly, the issue of land and particularly, the Mavoko parcel of land where people lost property. They say they will sell the said land. How I wish they could have given us a better response by saying that they are going to sell the land to the people who are now living there. The land was infested by illegal grabbers, but some are not grabbers. They have been put in that situation by some of us. As the Corporation sells the land at the said price, I hope the Committee will visit and look at it properly. They can sell the land and find themselves in the same crisis that was there. I wish the Committee can visit the said land first because you can sell the land and find yourselves in the same crisis as before. So that we do not go back to what we saw, it is important to ensure that they give the first opportunity to the people who are living on that land. After selling the land by public tender as it is stated, ensure that what is sold comes and inject more financial support to the East African Portland Cement Company. I thank the Committee because the Report is flowing, and it is looking at the management response. I wish the Secretariat could assist such that from observations, they can do a small summary to clearly explain. For example, the management response on the land explains well the LR Number and the portion which has since been transferred to the Kenya Commercial Bank and all the details. However, in the second part, ‘Further, on all the remaining parcels…’ One would ask, which ones? Could it be LR Number 907? The company is at an advanced discussion with the national Government on building synergy and alignment of the company’s strategic objectives with the development agenda. It is too huge. You even wonder how you can explain that to Kenyans."
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"speaker_name": "Dagoretti North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Beatrice Elachi",
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"content": "Lastly, there is need for us to ask ourselves about all those corporations, especially in the energy sector. There is a public limited company that every corporation speaks about in terms of having its consent. Its lands, it is said, are going to the Affordable Housing Scheme, which is okay. However, we must ask ourselves: When people will be buying those houses, will they be buying them from Portland or directly from the Boma Yangu platform? Or will it still be an asset of the corporation? It must be very clear because the company has a title. We will then understand that the land and the title deed are together. As a team of those who have bought those houses, they can know who has the title. Will it be the Government or the Corporation itself?"
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"speaker_name": "Dagoretti North, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Beatrice Elachi",
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"content": "With those few remarks, I beg to support."
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"content": " Hon. (Dr.) Wilberforce Oundo."
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to support the Report by the Public Investments Committee on Commercial Affairs and Energy on the examination of the reports of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of selected State corporations. The State corporations being examined here are the Engineers Board of Kenya for financial years 2017/2018 through to 2020/2021; the Energy and Petroleum Regulatory Authority for financial years 2015/2016 through to 2020/2021; the Competition Authority of Kenya for financial years 2016/2017 through to 2020/2021; the Central Bank of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": "Kenya for financial years 2017/2018 through to 2020/2021; and the East African Portland Cement Company for almost the same period."
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"content": "Before we even delve into the merits of the Report or otherwise, probably in its wisdom, we must thank the last Parliament for finding it wise to split the Public Investments Committee. You can see the backlog. The country must be very clear. It becomes even difficult to pin down any member of the Executive or an accounting officer for any anomalies, irregularities or unethical practises. Those who were there in 2016 are no longer there. Even if they found some mistakes or misallocation problems, there is very little you can do to pin down that person. Either the person has died, gone away or left Public Service. Over time, institutional memory disappears. Over time, documents relating to the examination gets defaced or lost and it becomes difficult to follow up. I urge all Public Investments Committees to move with speed and examine those audited reports and accounts to bring ourselves to the most current years as possible. For example, in the Public Accounts Committee, we are preparing reports for the financial year 2022/2023. That means we will comply with the Constitution that requires that revenue between the national and county governments be shared based on the most current audited accounts. We must bring our cases to currency."
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