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"content": "You wait for your turn. You may proceed, Hon. Kihungi. Hon. John Waweru, it is your opportunity now."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to congratulate Hon. Mwalimu Ikiara for bringing this important matter for consideration by the House. She is pricking our conscience as a nation for us to consider the least among us in society. The good book teaches that whatsoever you do to the least of brothers, you do unto me. What she is doing here is not primarily for the caregivers but for the Kenyans living with severe disabilities. I stand to support. In my contribution, I shall also refer to some Bills that might be useful to Hon. Ikiara when she decides to promote this Motion into a Bill. By providing a stipend for the caregivers, who are taking care of the severely disabled in this country, we are doing a number of things including giving assurance for better quality care for these persons. We are also making sure that we are recognising the efforts of these individuals who undertake the work that not every other individual would voluntarily do. We are also promoting social inclusivity. This job is normally relegated to the people who have been demoted to the lowest cadre of the society to a point where we discriminate them. We recognise that there is ground norm that allows and provides for fair remuneration for anybody who undertakes any responsibility, especially if they are assigning some good hours to it. If you allow me, I request that the Mover is not obstructed from your vision so that she takes the notes. The big build that I would like to put to this is the consideration of whether we would want to move towards being a welfare State. If you look at the Order Paper, you realise that later on in our proceedings, we shall be looking at a Motion by Hon. Majimbo Kalasinga. The Motion seeks to review the eligibility age for enrolment of older members of the society to the Inua Jamii Cash Programme. It begs the questions; does our Ksh4 trillion economy capable of supporting all the safety net programmes that we are loading onto our Budget? This is a critical question that we ought to ask ourselves. If we ask this question in context of this Motion that has been brought by Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, we shall find that a stipend can only be a short-term measure to this problem. The long-term response ought to be the systems, programmes and institutions that can take better care of our people living with severe disability. With this, we shall formalise the whole arrangement of taking care of our people with disability so that the burden is not relegated to family members who do not have jobs. My point is that while this is an extremely good proposal, it can only serve on the short-term. This country shall be called upon to think about providing policies, legislation, frameworks, structures, the physical brick and mortar institutions that shall take care of our The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "people living with severe disability. In doing so, we will avoid the risk of making this country a social welfare country with an economy that cannot support it. As I had alluded to earlier on, we already have the Inua Jamii Cash Programme and we are looking to expand it to carry more Kenyans. There are very few Kenyans who are meaningfully, and I dare say, formally employed. You might find that each individual who has a payslip has no less than 11 Kenyans on their back. If we were to make this country a social welfare state, would we be able to afford? While I support the idea that we need to rethink how we deal with care givers, I also want to state that we should see this as a short-term measure as we put up institutions that would give a more comprehensive and sustainable care to the people who need it most; those who are living with severe disabilities. I stand to support Hon Dorothy Ikiara for such a brilliant Motion that pricks our conscience and makes us think about the least in our society. Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, this is a good Motion. You are a good person and you shall go to heaven because of this. Thank you very much."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Thank you, Member for Dagoretti South. Hon. James Nyikal, Member for Seme"
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support this Motion. I want to make a few comments. When the programme for supporting the severely disabled was started, the definition of severely disabled was: “a person who is so disabled that they need somebody to take care of them”. That definition indicated that the funds that were being given were to assist the caregiver to look after this disabled person. However, it completely ignored the person who was looking after the severely disabled…"
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"content": "(Hon. Samuel Atandi consulted loudly)"
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Member for Seme is normally very consistent and his thoughts are very clear. I think the problem he is facing is the Member for Alego Usonga. Hon. Atandi, I request that you stop disrupting him."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. When we started the programme for the severely disabled, the definition of severely disabled rested on the fact that the person was so disabled that they needed a caregiver to look after them. They had then decided that it was important to assist the disabled person. It is true that they did not take into consideration the welfare of the caregiver despite the disability being very severe that the caregiver cannot do anything else. Looking after a disabled person becomes a full-time job. This Motion raises that issue on what to do with the caregiver who is tied up looking after this person. Secondly, as time went by, we had elderly persons who did not need caregivers, but they were getting cash transfer. We again had the severely disabled who were getting cash transfer but had caregivers. The programme was started in 2017/2018, and over the years, the elderly grew older and they now require caregivers. So, the two cash transfers for the severely disabled and the elderly persons have actually merged. Therefore, this Motion should now be re-looked into not only after the severely disabled as defined before, but also include the elderly persons who are getting cash transfers. They have lost money because they were not assigned caregivers. That is extremely important. Thirdly, the number of severely disabled persons from other causes is smaller than the number of the elderly persons who now need caregivers. This prompts us to look at the issue of the elderly who are also severely disabled and need caregivers."
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