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"speaker_name": "Moiben, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Phyllis Bartoo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me the chance to add my voice to this Petition. I want to thank Hon. Kitur from Nandi Hills for coming up with this Petition. Land issues in Kenya is a time bomb. It seems that the NLC of Kenya is a toothless institution because it seems it is not able to deal with land issues in Kenya. I am sure this is not just happening in Nandi Hills, but in the entire country. I want to bring a case of Moiben Constituency which has several cases of land disputes. For instance, we have Kapnyasore and Ground Lane Settlement Schemes. We have different people ploughing the land; different farmers planting; and even a different group of people harvesting. This create disputes throughout the year. I wish that this matter is taken up seriously. The Committee in charge should bring a report. This will go a long way of setting the record straight for all the other land issues in the entire country. Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Hon. Farah, you will close. Let me finish with these two Members first. Hon. Milemba, Hon. Raso and the Hon. Farah. Mheshimiwa, you have two minutes."
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"speaker_name": "Emuhaya, ANC",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me support this petition. We have what we call the pedis possessio in legal language. It has also been highlighted by Arnold Toynbee in his theory of land ownership, the First Occupancy Theory. Therefore, land ownership in Kenya is based on the First Occupancy Theory. Those who worked first on the land, occupied, measured and bounded it become the owners. With the coming of Europeans, which reminds me of the Maasai Agreements of 1904 and 1911, and other agreements that were done in Central and Rift Valley, especially Nandi areas, land ownership moved to Europeans through companies. The leases of 99 years and 100 years were thought to be unimaginable. They thought that those leases would never end, but they have now ended. This Parliament must now stand through the NLC to bring back this land to the original owners; the first occupiers of the land. It is never a time bomb because we have to deal with it now. I call upon the Public Petitions Committee to give this matter precedence and start handing over land to the original owners. Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Hon. Dida. Give the microphone to Hon. Raso. There you are."
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"speaker_name": "Saku, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Ali Raso",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I support this petition. By the time a Member stands on the Floor of this House to present a petition, it means The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Saku, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Ali Raso",
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"content": "something is not working or an institution is sleeping on the job. Our Constitution is very clear; land is either private, public or communal. Land does not exist in perpetuity. It must belong somewhere. It is only in Kenya where people are squatters in their entire lifetime. How can Kenyans live as squatters in all parts of this country without legislators or the Government of the day noticing? Through such a Petition, this House has been provided the right opportunity to address this issue. Hon. Speaker, you are a lawyer of repute and you must have represented individuals having land issues in court. The Constitution provides the right to property ownership. We must accept that land belongs somewhere; it does not just exist in perpetuity. Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Hon. Farah."
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"speaker_name": "Dadaab, WDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, land is a very emotive issue in this country. We fought for our Independence because of the dispossession of Kenyans from their rightful ancestral lands. It is a pity. In my language, we say that if you steal a camel and the camel gives birth to a calf, that calf is still a stolen property. You cannot say that since you only stole one camel and it gave birth, the calf is yours. It still belongs to the original owner. This land was stolen from Kenyans by the colonialists. For those who studied law, you know that when they were stealing it, they called it “by the will of the Crown”. The native did not have a right to land. Today, 63 years after Independence, I do not know where the Talai clan of Koitalel arap Samoei is. I do not know where they are. They do not have land or a livelihood. They are poor and staying as squatters somewhere. The ancestors of the colonialists, whether they converted the land into big companies of tea and coffee farms, are the ones enjoying this. We must have a land policy that addresses the historical injustices of the expropriation of the African land. Where does Dedan Kimathi's family live today? How many acres of land do they have? Hardly anything. Where are the Mau Mau fighters? We cannot claim that we are an independent country with a National Assembly that make our own laws, and pretend to be serving Kenyans, but cannot correct the historical injustices. This petition is a good one. If I was asked, I would say that land be given back to the original owners. I do not care whether you are Kakuzi or Sasini. The land belongs to the Nandi and Kikuyu of those days; they need their land back. You are transferring a problem to Lamu by moving people from Central Province to go and stay there. They are taking over land from other people, and this in turn is causing insecurity. The bigwigs in our political structure took over those lands and everybody is now looking for a weaker person to take land from. If we do not address the land issue, it is going to escalate into something bigger in this country. There is going to be a serious civil war in this country if we do not address the issue of the coastal land that has been taken over by other people. Do you think the sons and the grandsons of those people are going to just sit back and wait for the exploitation done to their fathers and grandfathers? What was done to Koitalel Arap Samoei…."
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"content": "Your time is up."
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"speaker_name": "Wajir West, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Yussuf Farah",
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, thank you very much. I support this Petition."
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