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"speaker_name": "Tharaka, UDA",
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"content": "I confirm that these reports belong to the House. Therefore, whatever is in there are acts of this House which cannot be wished away. First and foremost, I will speak about the Head of Public Service. That office substantially differs with what we have in this Bill because we, as a Committee, had issues in the way it was formed. Therefore, we had to align its formation."
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "There is a point of order from the Member for Funyula. What is your point of order?"
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"content": " I had to interrupt my good friend, Sir George, who used to be a good man last term. Hon. Speaker, the Leader of the Minority Party has referred to the Bill. What is indicated in the Order Paper is the Bill. The Committee’s Report is not in the Order Paper. I need your guidance on Hon. George’s reference to the Committee’s Report that is not in the Order Paper. We have been making this mistake continuously. Whether it is a mistake or not, we must draw this line clearly."
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"speaker_title": "Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": "A committee’s report that is supposed to be debated must be in the Order Paper. The Bill is in the Order Paper. It has not been amended or withdrawn to be amended, so that it is presented in an organised form that complies with the Constitution. Probably in the fullness of time, you might be required to guide the House on how to proceed. Do we proceed to debate the Committee’s Report or Bill?"
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"speaker_title": "Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Hon. Oundo, the reason I keep on urging committee chairpersons to bring and table their committee reports is because they are part of the legislation process. We always insist that a committee’s report should be tabled in the House at least before the Bill goes to the Committee of the whole House stage. It is part of the information available to Members in carrying out their debates. Hon. Murugara is not out of order. He has a right to refer to the Committee’s Report. You also have a right to do so. In fact, you have a right to extract material from it to amend the Bill at the Committee of the whole House stage, if you wish. That is why we have the committee reports."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. That is 100 per cent correct. I wish to inform Hon. Oundo, my friend, that when the Leader of the Majority Party moved this Bill, he, in extenso, relied on the Report to say how the Bill will be amended clause by clause. That is the process of legislation. The Bill is committed to a committee so that it can look at its constitutionality and how else it can be aligned to policy and any other statute, as it may be necessary."
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"content": "I wish to state to the House that the Office of the Head of Public Service which is proposed to be created has several amendments under that provision, so as to align it with the Constitution. Therefore, it implores upon the Leader of the Minority Party to read the proposed amendments and then he will possibly change his mind. If he does not read them and he reads the Bill only, then he will possibly be entitled to make the arguments he has made here. However, that has to be in his contribution to this debate. It cannot be a preliminary point to be decided on. That is where he has actually gone wrong and digressed from the debate we have. We have made it elaborate that the Office of the Head of Public Service will be in the executive office of the President. It is not as we have it here. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "Secondly, it is an office in the public service. That now falls under Articles 132 and 134 of the Constitution. Therefore, that cures the defect. We have analysed what the functions are in the rest of it which are not in conflict at all with the office of the Chief Cabinet Secretary because we know this exists."
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