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"speaker_name": "Tharaka, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. George Murugara",
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"content": "In the draft Bill, there may have been a conflict but it has been removed. Therefore, I urge the Leader of the Minority Party to look at the Report and then form a second opinion. What he has elaborately told the House is the dissenting opinion of Hon. Otiende Amollo. That will be the debate for those who are opposing the Bill. Hon. Otiende Amollo opposed the Bill, after we made all these recommendations which are within his knowledge."
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"content": "As regards the Chief Administrative Secretary, again, kindly read the Report and the addendum which are very important. We were alive to the fact that this position had been annulled twice by the courts. Therefore, we had to seal the loopholes which are likely to be there, when it comes to the position vis-`a-vis what is provided for in the Constitution. So, what have we done? Firstly, we have not mentioned it whatsoever. If it is mentioned in the Bill, we have recommended that these are not State officers who are created or provided for by the Constitution. They are offices that are established and provided for under the Public Service Commission (PSC). In that manner, we have complied with the Constitution."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Jared Okello",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Yes, Hon. Jared."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Jared Okello",
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, I thank you for giving me the opportunity. Article 260 of our Constitution describes who a State officer is. One fundamental issue around it is that it is anyone who gets a pay from the Consolidated Fund. How will you remove these people who will be earning their perks from the Exchequer from being called State officers? Why are we shooting ourselves in the feet, just to appease 22 people who are idling out there? Let us follow the law and do what it prescribes."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. George Murugara",
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"content": " Unfortunately, they may be 10, five but not 22. We do not know the number because it is now reserved for the PSC to work on the element of complement of that particular office."
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"speaker_name": "Tharaka, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. George Murugara",
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"content": "Let me make it clear. State officers are set out in the Constitution. Now that Chief Administrative Secretaries are not there, they are excluded. They are not State officers. As such, we cannot say they fall under that provision of the Constitution."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. George Murugara",
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"content": "Secondly, we have also re-defined their functions. Principally, they are Cabinet Secretary Assistants. They will work under the direction of cabinet secretaries to assist them in meetings, government portfolios and whatever other assignments they are assigned. We have not provided whatsoever that they are in between cabinet secretaries and principal secretaries. There is no mention of the Principal Secretary in the provisions we are talking about. In essence, what we are saying is that these CASs will be assisting cabinet secretaries while principal secretaries are technocrats, people who are supposed to be accounting officers and administer various State departments under them. There is no provision whatsoever that a CAS is going to administer a State department, whether assigned by the Cabinet Secretary or otherwise. That is not one of the functions we have proposed. Therefore, looking at this Bill in totality, I believe what is being raised by the Leader of the Minority Party and those who have supported him are debates that are supposed to be in opposition to the Bill and this can only be sustained if they have read the Report and the addendum. They must also know that there will be Committee of the whole House on the Bill, where all the amendments that are proposed will be executed. The arguments being advanced now will change once this Bill goes through the Committee of the whole House. Unless those amendments are within their knowledge, they cannot be heard to say what we are saying is unconstitutional. In my view, the debate by the Leader of the Minority Party is pre-emptive, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "premature and just a debate. It is not a point of law that would amount to a point of order on constitutionality. Therefore, kindly overrule him."
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"content": "Hon. Owen Baya."
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