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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
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"content": "I hope the Chairperson is listening. The reference is to a public institution and not a private one through the backdoor, as he alleges. Hon. Temporary Chairman, allow me to proceed once he is listening. We need an immediate response. We shall not go back to the Hansard ."
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"content": " Proceed, Hon. Oundo. The House is listening, some with their third ears. Proceed."
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"content": " I think the Chairperson of the Committee seems to be a bit unclear on exactly what he wants to do. The amendment as proposed in the Bill was to buttress or give clarity to Section 25 which states that where declaration of this section is made concerning with respect to a public institution. The catch word here “public institution” shall only apply where such institution is a national polytechnic within the meaning of the Technical and Vocational Education Training Act. It is the President who declares a technical institution to be a national polytechnic. The purpose of that particular Clause or Section was to put in place a progression system where an institution can start as a Technical Vocational and Educational Training (TVET), become a national polytechnic, and then by the declaration, it can become a national or a specialised university. If we look at the published Bill on Page 1843, it says that a declaration under this section shall only apply to a public institution. So again, he misled the House and the nation to the effect that a private institution could find its way through. Previously it was a national polytechnic within the meaning clearly indicated and has the requisite physical facilities and human source capacity that are appropriate for a technical university. On that score and I want to persuade the committee. Probably the Chairperson might have not been very clear on what he is talking about. I ask him to withdraw that amendment and let the amendment that is in the Bill stand. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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"content": " Leader of the Majority Party."
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"speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, Hon. (Dr) Oundo is right. We have consulted the Hon. Chairman and I believe he will be withdrawing that particular amendment because the Bill as it is perfectly in order, as Hon. (Dr) Oundo says. It specifically refers to a public institution, and the law also defines national polytechnics. Sub- section 2 that was coming in was to further qualify what is already provided for under Sub- The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
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"content": "section 2. Therefore, I ask the Hon. Chairman to withdraw his amendment and leave it as it is in the Bill."
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"content": " Hon. Chairman."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, I agree with Hon. (Dr) Oundo. I misread some statement. It is proper I withdraw the amendment. Thank you."
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"content": "Hon. Omboko Milemba): Finally, Hon. Makali."
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"content": " Thank you very much Hon. Temporary Chairman. Even as I agree with that withdrawal, it is important we go on record on this matter. One of the problems we have been facing as a country is a situation where we converted all our middle level institutions into universities and we lost the middle-level cadre in terms of skills. So even as we do this, I wish that it is done in a very cautious way to avoid going back to where we have come from, where we converted our middle level institutions to universities. We can see where we are in terms of middle level skills. I submit, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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