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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
"speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Madam Cabinet Secretary, usually the responses are uploaded in the system. The Clerk can confirm whether that has been done for this. Sen. Chute, you must know how to use the iPad before you. You do not need to go through this."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is the list of the titled schools per county No.1 to 47 on page two and three of my report. I have given the total numbers of what we have titled and where we are supposed to be at. We have 31,000 schools and only 5,226 public schools have titles. T That means that we have a long way to go. It should be noted that this list is not conclusive. This is what I was able to get and I am yet to verify the full details, but it will not be far from what page three is showing as the totals, with a reservation of 5,799. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Kirinyaga County has 335 public schools as at 2019. The audit report by the multi-agency group revealed that the county has 180 public primary schools and 155 public secondary schools. Seventy-eight schools have been titled and 157 are reservations for titling while 257 are yet to be titled. Table two and three show the primary and secondary schools issued with titles. When I say reservations or reserved for public use as public schools, it means that the NLC has already reserved them and a gazette notice issued thereafter. The primary schools titled are shown on page four and the list is there of the total number of schools in Kirinyaga and the constituencies are listed for public primary schools. For the secondary schools, it is on page five as shown there, all the way to page six. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the list of schools whose land had issues like pending court cases are shown on page six, paragraph two. Nguguini Secondary School in Kirinyaga has a pending case No.34 of 2016. There is Kiarugu Primary School and Rwangondu Primary School that have a boundaries dispute. These are things we can do within the ambit of my Ministry. I will undertake to look at that as well as the pending cases to see whether there can be a resolution. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I believe the hon. Senator who brought this question is aware of this and could be of great assistance in resolution of the case. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to proceed to Question No.2."
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"content": " The second part of the Senator’s question, part (b)."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to respond as follows- The titling of public land has been going on over the years. However, the progress has been slow, uncoordinated and without guidelines. In addition, the process of identification, mapping, planning, documentation, allocation, registration of public land is a multi-sectoral action or activity."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "We will endeavour to do our work. A raft of measures has been taken to fast track the schools titling programme. Measures taken include public utilities programme that was put up and the team has been constituted with representative from the State Department of Lands and Physical Planning, NLC, National Treasury, Ministry of Education and Council of Governors (CoG). The National Treasury is the one that holds titles on behalf of the entire Government. So, the National Treasury is a key stakeholder there. Preparation of a procedure manual on titling of public utilities land has been done. The draft procedure manual has been prepared and is currently undergoing review by the stakeholders. I confirm that we will be finalising that exercise soon. A pilot programme was scheduled within the Financial Year 2023/2024. The counties selected for that pilot programme are Kirinyaga and Busia. A letter requesting for an update status report on all public learning institutions in the two counties has also been sent to the Ministry of Education. We want to put the report together and the status report to assist the public utilities programme team plan and execute the titling of all the remaining schools within the two counties as a pilot. Why is it necessary? We want to use the process that is proven and for consistency purposes. It helps the team on the ground to do that exercises. That is where we are with the titling. I agree it is slow and we need to expedite the process."
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"content": " Thank you, hon. Cabinet Secretary. Sen. Mbugua, I do not know whether you have a supplementary question?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, with your indulgence, I donate my chance to the Senator for Nyeri to ask the supplementary questions."
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"content": " You have no such power to do so. It is either you have the supplementary question or not and leave it at that. I can see the Senator for Nyeri whom you have donated time for has not even requested. Proceed, Sen. Wamatinga."
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