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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
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"content": " Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the direction. It is true that I am unable to respond to that because it was not brought to my notice earlier. KVDA is a parastatal under the Ministry of East African Community, Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) and Regional Development. They should have the details of that particular problem. The hon. Senator can also write to the Cabinet Secretary for the East African Community, ASAL and Regional Development and myself with the details. We can then try to help and resolve the problem. I do not know whether the problem is that the dam is encroaching or not. Sometimes, dams exceed the designated area, therefore, a redesign is necessary. It might be a case where compensation is not complete, people are trying to use the dam to get the land, or use the land that has already been purchased around the dam. I will leave it to you, but you can write to the two Ministries for better responses. Overall, I was asked about recovery of other public land. We are in the process of discussing with the Office of the President. We intend to move the Cabinet for a resolution to allow the Prime Cabinet Secretary to request for all Ministries to forward public lands that are in danger, encroached or grabbed so that holistically, I can address all of them. This is because it is not possible for the Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development to know which land has been encroached and grabbed. However, as a Ministry, I have a responsibility to assist the Government to protect, recover and document public land, which is existing, may have been taken away and recover as much as we can, including prosecution of people found to have stolen public land. Obviously, even the Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development is not safe. This is because this particular parcel that Tom Mboya Social Hall is on, belongs to the Ministry of Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I confirm that Kitale Main Prison is sitting on an individual’s parcel of land. I am also proceeding to cancel those title deeds because the prison is sitting on over 3,000 parcels of grabbed land. It is not an easy matter. However, we have to do what is right. The support of Parliament, including these kinds of Questions, is helpful. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Mandago, you were on the top of the queue. Kindly ask your questions although you have a problem with the Dispatch Box."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Maybe the Clerks-at-the- Table can assist me with my card. I do not know whether this is a Question or suggestion to the Cabinet Secretary. On digitization, what happens with controversial land or those that have disputes during the digitization process? I ask this because there is a land in question in Uasin Gishu County between the county government, the Department of Defence and the people of the county. However, during digitization, a title which was fraudulently acquired, was also"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "digitized. My request to the hon. Cabinet Secretary is that during digitization, all land under dispute should not be digitized because it further gives legitimacy to the fraudulently acquired titles. Secondly, the Cabinet Secretary stated she is constrained in terms of budget for the titling of schools. It is my view that school receive capitation for operations. It only costs a maximum of Kshs20,000 to get a title deed. Schools should process their own titles. I thank you."
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"content": " Proceed Cabinet Secretary."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
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"content": " Did I hear the Senator propose that we ask schools to process their own title deeds?"
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"content": " It was a suggestion."
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"content": " That would require me to move back to the Cabinet and request them to resolve that. Schools are Government properties. The land is not necessarily in the school’s name, but it is reserved for those schools. However, the title deeds belong to the National Treasury and are registered in their name. It is important for us to assist and proceed to do that. That is the only way we can assure validity and integrity. It is not a bad thing that the Ministry is the one to finally do it. Since 1960, this has not been done. So, we will not leave it to the schools again. Some of the people living around the schools have grabbed some of the school land. In that process, we shall be able to return any grabbed land. On the digitization of parcels of land, which may have disputes, titles or records under interrogation and investigation, first, we capture the records that we have by scanning and putting them as part of the digitization. This does not mean we will be hindered from interrogating those documents. I think the Senator was referring to the Kenya Defense Forces (KDF) land. We have cancelled all those titles and we no longer have any problem. However, where we have captured the wrong or disputed land, it might be in court, and we get other records to state otherwise other than what is in our digital system, we will move to put that as part of our record. It is possible within that. As we digitise, we are using the existing land laws. I do not think there will be any compromise or danger in our work."
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"content": " Thank you. Sen. Osotsi, proceed."
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