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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was nearly becoming anxious because I have not had an opportunity to meet the Cabinet Secretary before she became the Cabinet Secretary. The last time I was with her, she was making a political commentary on the television. She told me that they will win and we will lose, but I told her that they will lose and we will win. Then, she told me that, in fact, President Uhuru Kenyatta and his friends and everybody will go. I am now shocked that the other side is now telling Mama Ngina “sorry”. I was excited to see her because I have utmost respect for her. Madam Cabinet Secretary, I also want to sincerely thank you for confirming Mr. Nyandoro. He happens to come from where he does, but I am happy that you looked at meritocracy and agreed to give the best qualified person the job. I really thank you for that. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the supplementary question I am asking the Cabinet Secretary maybe suggestive. Would the Cabinet Secretary be comfortable to confirm to this House that the issues that are bedeviling the Ministry of Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development and the land question in this country are very simple things? For example, we have no spatial planning which is completed, we do not know which parcels of land were allocated and who allocated them and whether they suffice on the legality of their existence. Also, the issues that are in Kitale right now about prison’s land are questions which are historical. The challenge that we have is that the institutions which are supposed to function and, indeed, one of those institutions is her Ministry, have been unable to perform and deliver on the issue of land. Would the Cabinet Secretary be comfortable to tell this House whether, therefore, it is possible to make sure that in the shortest time possible, we have spatial planning, so that we can do what the Rwanda Government has done? What is shocking or may not be shocking is that the people who did the spatial planning for Rwanda are Kenyans, and they are known. Is it possible that we can also do that, so that when somebody is buying land or has been allocated land or is having a problem with their land, they can immediately have the detail, the size of the land, the location of the land, the value of the land and any development on that land? Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Thank you. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Hon. Deputy Speaker, I take the commendation and the congratulatory note from the hon. Senator with humility. We did very many debates with him at the national television and many times, he would get very upset with my contributions. However, that was for debate purposes. I warned him severally, but he refused to listen. I hope that I have permission to speak like that on this floor. I hope he can---"
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"content": " I will allow the two of you to exchange those pleasantries."
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"content": " Thank you. I hope he will now read the signs early so that we can be on the same page. However, suffice to say that he is a very able debater. All of us benefited from his contributions during the debates. He raises very fundamental issues on what is ailing the entire Ministry in respect of land tenure and security. The question of land security is key. We are planning with that in mind because we would want to guarantee security of tenure and records. That is why, as a Government, we have agreed to go digital. As I stand here, I get very upset because of the stories I hear. My officers know that I have said there is no way you can give me a response that the file is missing. Whenever a file is missing, there is some funny business going on and some irregularities are likely to be committed by disappearance of a file. This is something that the country must also now agree. I take the opportunity to urge the public not to take land security casually and not to engage in buying land that they have not received a proper certification in terms of searches and record checks by the land registries. Having said that, I have also told the Government officers managing our registries that they will take personal responsibility. We have so far taken action against three or four of them. Two are under suspension since I came in and two are already facing court charges because of irregular documentation of land. It is quite a task. The answer will be use of technology and digitization. I believe that is something we must aspire for and what we should be looking forward to as a country. During my tenure, I should be put to task to complete digitization. We have two types of spatial planning; the county and the national spatial planning. The national spatial planning is complete. The challenge we are having is the county spatial planning. Without appearing to accuse the counties, the governors have not taken up this. They have a challenge. Very few have taken it up. If I am correct, about 10 counties are on course. The others are not on course. It is very important to have spatial planning because lack of planning is planning to fail. Therefore, I am calling upon the counties to take up this task very seriously. We are also in the process of doing necessary geospatial surveys, mapping, georeferencing and cadastral preparations for us to go digital. This is an exercise that is going on. We have to use cadastral preparation and geo-referencing so that we can resolve many disputes relating to survey and boundaries."
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"content": "Therefore, this Government will be on course. That is where we need to put our money. We will be able to deal with land grabbers up to 100 per cent if need be. I have no tolerance for them. Some of them have called me arrogant when they are facing court cases for whatever reason. I know some of them are very unhappy while some of them are also very influential. Therefore, we need to just use our documentation properly so that we can keep away people who want to steal both public and private land. Thank you."
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"content": " That was a long answer for the number one question from Sen. Onyonka. It involved three parts; political, social and then the question itself. Hon. Senators, we have four Senators on the queue. We really need to close with the Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development. I will share one-and-half minutes to every Member. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, if you do not have the exact answer, you can give the answers later so that we can make some progress. Sen. Abass, you may have the Floor."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Cabinet Secretary, I have seen some houses under construction in Wajir Township. How many units are they and how high will the houses go? Wajir has many challenges in terms of the soil structure, sanitation and sewerage due to the high level of water. I do not know whether the project that is being undertaken has considered all those factors. The soil structure is actually sandy. If you will be building high rise buildings, you might experience some challenges. I would like to know how many they are, their height and whether you have taken into consideration the sewerage system and all the other things that exist in Wajir currently."
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