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"content": " Madam Cabinet Secretary, as you answer, that is a question that was asked by another Member. Hon. Senators, this is a very core question that is on the lips of many senators. So, maybe you give a comprehensive answer to that, so that we do not repeat it."
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"content": " Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On the question that was asked by Sen. Onyonka, about the repealing of the NHIF Act, it is now clear that we are in the transition phase. Yes, as a Ministry, we acknowledge that there are claims dating back to three or five years, and even others that are longer than five years. What we have done as a Ministry, and that is one of the reasons the new Act was put in place, we have claims that looked ridiculous. We have claims that on face value would not be validated. From the research that we did, we have claims that point to the first issue that I responded to, fraud in medical insurance. So, what we have done is that the transitional Committee, one of the Terms of Reference (TORs) that they have, is to do a proper reconciliation of the claims. They have a subcommittee where we have received experts from the National Treasury. We have received a representative from the Office of the Auditor General (OAG) to verify those claims, so that they can be paid. I assure the House that once the transitional committee has confirmed that a claim is legitimate for payment, it shall be taken over by the Social Health Authority (SHA). I also confirm that there is a special committee; the National Audit Committee, that was put in place by His Excellency the President. It is supposed to be looking into all pending bills. So, some huge bills then will be moved to the Special Audit Committee, chaired by the former Auditor General, Mr. Ouko, to look into the long outstanding pending bills. Some of those will be verified there. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to assure the House that these claims, so long as are verified and reconciled, they will be taken over by SHA. Having said that, I also confirm that payment of claims is a continuous exercise. So, NHIF has been continuing to pay those claims that have been reconciled and verified. In the last year, a total of Kshs36 billion was paid out to claims. The second question about reimbursement of claims to public facilities that has been asked by Sen. Mandago of Uasin Gishu, who is also the Chairperson of the Health Committee in the Senate, is that, indeed, it is true that many outstanding claims are yet to be paid to public facilities. These outstanding claims are not unique just to public facilities. We even have faith-based facilities that have outstanding claims. We have private facilities that have outstanding claims. As a Ministry, this is a matter that we have brought to the Cabinet's attention because we see it standing in our way as a risk in the transition. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Following the bringing of this matter to the Cabinet, a discussion was held last week between my Ministry, the Ministry of National Treasury, chaired by His Excellency the President, and the National Treasury was asked to look for resources for us to start paying claims. I confirm that yesterday, my Principal Secretary (PS) in charge of Medical Services received information from the National Treasury that they are looking for Kshs5.5 billion to be released to the Ministry to start paying the outstanding claims. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Sen. (Dr.) Oburu Oginga. We will go to the Statement at 11.45 a.m. So, let us have a few more Senators, then we go to the Statement from the Cabinet Secretary."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I take this opportunity to welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Health to the Senate. I hope in her statement she will tell us something about the strike of the doctors. However, my question is on the outgoing NHIF cards. These cards, when issued to beneficiaries, they are asked to specify the clinics and the hospitals where they wish to be treated. You specify two. When you do so, supposing you are a civil servant, say a police officer, you are posted to Nairobi, your family is in the rural areas there, you have specified the hospital where they go. When you are in Nairobi here, you are only allowed to specify two. So, you specify those two are the dispensary and hospital where your family goes. It is very inconvenient. I hope that the new system will address that, so that the cards allow you to access facilities of a certain class or standard and you can go anywhere in the country and access those facilities. You do not have to specify only two. I hope that will be addressed. "
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"content": " That is okay to the Cabinet Secretary. You respond after I give an opportunity to Sen. Mariam Omar."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. My Question to the Cabinet Secretary is about the Edu-Afya Medical Programme under the Ministry of Education, which contracted the National Health Insurance Fund to offer medical services to students. What is your intervention on this termination of the contract because many students get stuck when they are brought for medical treatment. So, as the Cabinet Secretary for Health, what is your intervention on that?"
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"content": " Sen. Sifuna, you are on intervention. Do you have a point of order or maybe you are queing to contribute to another matter?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have a supplementary Question on the NHIF"
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"content": " Kindly, do it within one minute and then she can answer."
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