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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for allowing me to contribute to this debate. I was going home the other day, and one of the people who had accompanied me told me that he was happy because he had done some online gambling and got Kshs30,000. A few days later, the same person told me how he felt terrible because, in the same place where he had made Kshs30,000, he had lost Kshs50,000. He was asking me to give him something to help him because there was an emergency he needed to sort out. My focus in this debate would be on online gambling. Many people have lost money in online gambling. This Bill has made a mention of online gambling. Nothing much has been focused on online gambling. Kenyans have lost money on online gambling. The form of gambling where you pay small monies on the machines has not been as bad and destructive as online gambling. The only requirement in the Bill for online gambling is in the Third Schedule. The Bill proposes a license of Kshs200 million for online gambling companies. This is equivalent to what they will be required to put as a national lottery. For online gambling, we should at least double the amount. I say so because online gambling has become a trend and a con game. They are multinational operations. They will go to Zambia and Zimbabwe in Africa, and the same company will be operating in Kenya. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Once they are busted or suspect that something bad will happen or they will be caught, they cross over to Uganda and perform the same operations. For this Bill to propose that they will only be paying a security of Kshs200 million, we have not addressed that problem. They use the loopholes within the internet setup to entice people. Many people who have become victims will tell you that registering to place bets is easy. Once you register, you will run on good luck. They get data from telecom companies. They use their ways to access people's phone numbers. They send messages and entice people into their gambling con game. They give you a free ride - the first few wins - and then people get hooked. The people tell each other and you cannot find them over two months after they have collected enough. This is not just happening here in Kenya but all over the world, particularly in Africa. They target Africa because the systems have not been put well in this Continent. They are now looking at this proposed law. A lot has been said about slot machines entering the premises and they will be arrested if they are not licensed. However, nothing has been talked about online gambling. This Bill fails to address the problem that Kenyans face. The advertisements pop up when one opens the internet to study and do research. They will tell you how a person has been banned from participating in any gambling activity because they received information and advice from a specific person. The person is an astrologer or a professor. Kenyans fall to this trick. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when they visit these people, they are given fake advice and confidence. They end up committing their Kshs500, Kshs1,000, Kshs5,000 or Kshs10,000 because they believe that person who has been---"
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"content": " Sen. Mungatana, sorry, we need to adjourn now. You will have a balance of 13 minutes."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana MGH",
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"content": "Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, it is now 5.00 p.m., in line with the decision made by the Chair that we have a Motion for Adjournment pursuant to Standing Order No.37. Therefore, I request, Sen. Mumma, to move her Motion."
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"content": "MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER NO.37"
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"content": "THE ONGOING STRIKE BY HEALTH WORKERS"
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move a Motion on the definite matter of national importance, namely, the ongoing strike by the health workers in the country. The Senate is charged with protecting the county and the county governments. Beyond that, the Senate is supposed to be in the lead speaking on the proper operation of functions that have been devolved. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "The right to health is possibly, in my view, if you put it to the hierarchies of human rights, the right to health complements the right to life. The dead cannot enjoy human rights. Therefore, human rights are for the people who are alive, meaning that the right to life is the first right or the basic right that facilitates the accrual of all the other rights. Closely linked to the right to life is the right to health. You may miss the right to education, and many have missed it. Many of our grandparents did not go to school, but if they lacked the right to health, they would have lost their lives. I am calling us to attention as the Senate to take the matters relating to the strike by doctors seriously and to guide the Government to do what is right. This morning we had the Cabinet Secretary for Health before us, but we were not able to exhaustively address the issues, since the nature of Question time is such that you are restricted to what the questioner has put. Nonetheless, the Question that was put in the morning was largely general and did not seriously address this issue. The Cabinet Secretary was then given time to read what was a very good sounding policy, but which did not address the crux of the matter when it comes to the doctors’ strike. She gave us information around the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) that she has prepared. She was urging doctors to sign on it and she said everything is okay except for the issue of stipends and the interns. I wish to indicate that there is one crucial information that the Cabinet Secretary failed to give us. She did not give us the information on the impact of the strike on the people of Kenya. She did not tell us how many people have died in Kenyatta National Hospital because they have failed to get the services they require. She did not tell us how many people have become critically ill because they were not attended to at the right time. I wish to give some information that is crucial and which, I believe, the Cabinet Secretary has refused to look at. Prior to 2011, interns earned Kshs78,000 per month. After the promulgation of the Constitution, during President Kibaki’s time, the interns negotiated to earn Kshs141,000. This has moved up with allowances to Kshs206,000. A doctor takes six years in college. The last three, they shadow the consultants as they learn. Interns are entry point for employment because they come after graduation. I want to ask each of you to go to your counties. You will find that interns are the first point of contact for any patient in a hospital. So, they carry out work like any other doctor. In fact, interns have been abused. That is how the public service has worked. Having not acquired or achieved the correct doctor to patient ratios, they have been using interns to carry out the work of the doctors. You will find a ward with over 60 people, has only one medical officer and maybe three interns taking care of them. Those interns do everything that the doctor would have done except when things get serious, then they call the medical superintendent or the consultant to come in. When we hear medical interns being compared to interns in Law or teaching, it is missing the point. When I did my pupillage, I was never allowed to address the court. However, when a doctor is interning, the doctor is making decisions of life and death. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, our Constitution has provided that we cannot alter payments of employees to their detriment. Where are we finding this? Everybody is The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "raising the taxes and inflation is high. These doctors earned Kshs78,000 just before August 2011. We want them to earn Kshs70,000? We need to speak for the people who are dying. When children of the Cabinet Secretaries and MPs get sick today, they will go to Nairobi Hospital or Aga Khan Hospital, which is paid for by these taxpayers who are dying. We do not want to do anything about it because we are safe; our spouses are safe. We have an insurance paid for that can avoid these strikes. There was a time I suggested that all State officers to be treated in public hospitals for them to feel the pinch, the way other Kenyans are feeling the pinch. We need to know how many people get worse and die, as senior Government officers in the Ministry of Health continue displaying arrogance and even using language that is not acceptable. How do you say that doctors must come to the table and sign the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)? The CBA that is there, that doctors signed, was signed by a legitimate Government. The Cabinet Secretary for Health needs to learn that Governments exist in perpetuity. You cannot run away from decisions that have been made by a Government. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, how I wish a proposal could be made that salaries of Principal Secretaries and Cabinet Secretaries be reduced. How I wish that we would propose salaries of MPs to be reduced to 10 per cent. Why are we comparing and saying interns in Zambia are getting 70? Why are we not taking the salary of MPs in Zambia? Health is the most important thing. The day this country wants to move ahead, we must invest in keeping our doctors in place. We must invest in keeping our nurses here. All of them are looking for jobs abroad because we are joking with this issue. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I call my colleagues to speak truthfully to this issue and ensure that we condemn what is going on and call the Cabinet Secretary and the Ministry of Health to order, to ensure that the doctors’ pleas are heard. At the very least, they must not be given less than what they have been earning."
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