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"content": " Is that for both two questions, ‘A’ and ‘B’? Sen. Mutinda, do you have any supplementary Question?"
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"content": "Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of Sen. (Dr.) Murango. I am the vice Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget. As a Committee, we have embarked on the issue of libraries, especially the 33 counties where we have Kshs425 million that is still pending to be submitted to these counties. We have employees and staff that have not received their remunerations because of lack of disbursement of these funds. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Madam Cabinet Secretary when you clearly indicate that it is not the function of your Ministry, it leaves a lot to be desired. It is not a fulfilling question from where I sit. We request for a detailed answer because it is a bit shallow. The 33 counties that are beneficiaries of the libraries are keen on the feedback. To be more specific, we have Kirinyaga and Nairobi City counties, among other counties. Therefore, it is not enough to just summarize; it is not its function because we are one Government. Your office has a responsibility to ensure that the money reaches 33 counties. Even if there are no plans by the Government to expand, it is good. As the Kenya Kwanza Government, we are honest by agreeing so that we do not give false hopes. As far as those 33 are concerned, what is the status of Kshs425 million?"
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"content": " Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can proceed to respond."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Aisha Jumwa",
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"content": " Mr. Deputy, Speaker, Sir, in responding to the question by Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, my Ministry handed over public libraries to 33 counties. However, there is a need to upgrade the existing services to fit into the envisaged county government status and people’s expectations. Since library is a devolved function, the Ministry did submit a proposal to the IGRTC for onward submission to the Summit for consideration of allocation of a ring- fenced conditional grant to facilitate establishment of libraries in the 14 counties without public libraries. On the disbursement, Kshs435 million was released to 33 counties which we handed over public libraries to because it is clear that money follows function."
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"content": " My screen here is showing several Senators who want to speak. Since it is the same ranking like the Motion we had, I do not know whether you still want to ask supplementary questions. Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, you were to ask two questions, but you seem to be comfortable with the one you asked. I can see Sen. Mungatana again. Sen. Boy Juma. Is it on this?"
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"content": "(Sen. Boy Spoke off record)"
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"content": "Kindly log out so that I can see those interested to ask supplementary questions. Sen. Osotsi, kindly proceed. Clerk, kindly clear the screen."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I concur with the Sen. Tabitha Mutinda that the Cabinet Secretary is not giving this House sufficient information regarding this question. We know that library services are devolved. Though devolved, library services are one of the functions which have not been fully transferred to the counties. The only attempt that was done was to release over Kshs400 million as conditional grants, but it is largely not transferred. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "As she rightly said, money should follow functions. So, she needs to give a comprehensive response to this question and not just for Kirinyaga, but other counties as well. We are having a scenario where for functions which are devolved, when you look at it moneywise, most of them are still being managed at the national level. Every time Cabinet Secretaries come here, they say this is a devolved function, yet the money is still held up in the Ministry. The Cabinet Secretary, whom I served with in the National Assembly, must give this House the details around provision of library services and monies that the national Government is controlling on this because conditional grants that was given was too little too late. This House deserves a proper and detailed answer from the Cabinet Secretary."
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