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"speaker_name": "Sen. (Dr.) Oburu",
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"legal_name": "Oburu Ngona Odinga",
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"content": "I totally oppose this over-regulation of farmers."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Kathuri",
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"content": " Thank you. Sen. Kisang’ you want to speak to this?"
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"content": "Yes. I have put an intervention, Mr. Chairman, Sir. I do not know if the farmers agreed with this Bill during the public participation because this is retrogressive. The farmer should be free to sell their cane where they wish. Otherwise, a miller might take your cane and then they do not pay you. What happens? Therefore, I think we need to oppose this amendment."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Kathuri",
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"legal_name": "Murungi Kathuri",
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Olekina."
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"legal_name": "Ledama Olekina",
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"content": "Mr. Chairman, Sir, I do not know whether to support the idea of the ‘youth leader’ or to oppose it. I would like to beseech him to consider the investors who come in and help farmers with inputs. When it comes to the issue of output, all of a sudden that farmer now decides to sell that sugarcane to another miller. How will the miller recover their inputs? What we need to do to safeguard both the farmer and the input, is to further amend that amendment which is being brought. I wish the sponsor would have been listening to it because it would help him. We need to put a caveat where the farmer does not have a contractual agreement with the miller, they are free to sell and there is no zoning. However, where there is a contractual agreement, we have to protect contracts. Therefore, we need to amend that section. That will take care of the reservation of the ‘youth leader’ on that. It will also take care of the interest of the investors. I have seen it in Narok County where, the Trans Mara Sugar Company has invested in the input. When it comes to harvesting cane, sometimes there is a challenge and the is not able to take all the cane at ago, then you find farmers selling their cane. Mr. Chairman, Sir, there are different mitigating factors that we can put in the Bill, such that if the cane is ready to be harvested, and there is a contractual agreement, then with the consent of the milling company, the farmer can sell that cane to another company. That will be a much sober way to resolve this issue. I thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Kathuri",
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"legal_name": "Murungi Kathuri",
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"content": " This clause has received a lot of interest. Proceed, Sen. Wafula."
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"legal_name": "Davis Wafula Nakitare",
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"content": "Asante, Mwenyekiti. Katika Kifungu cha 19 (a), kuna maelezo bayana kwamba halmashauri hii itaweza kuwapa kibali wakulima wa miwa, iwapo wataelekeza ama wataeleza kwa mapana na marefu kwamba hawana mkataba wowote na kiwanda chochote katika eneo lao. Basi watapewa ruhusa kuendeleza na mkataba ambao uko katika eneo lingine. Vile vile, jinsi Seneta wa Narok amesema, iwapo hauna deni na kiwanda ama kongamano la wakulima, utaweza kupewa nafasi na hakuna stakabadhi yoyote inayoonyesha kwamba una mkataba wowote. Zaidi ya hapo, Kifungu cha 19(b), inaeleza bayana kwamba mkulima atapewa nafasi ya kupewa ruhusa na halmashauri hii iwapo kandarasi yake imekiukwa na msagaji wa sukari. Hivi kwamba, halmashauri itapea mkulima ruhusa kuuza miwa yake kwingine. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"id": 348,
"legal_name": "Davis Wafula Nakitare",
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"content": "Mkulima ama halmashauri itathibitisha kwamba kiwango ama miwa inayopatikana katika eneo hilo imezidi kiwango cha msagaji wa miwa kudhibiti. Hivyo, wakulima watapewa nafasi ya kuuza miwa yao katika kiwanda kingine katika eneo lingine. Mwisho, kiwanda ambacho anataraji kupeana miwa kiko katika eneo lingine na ana mkataba. Sasa hayo yote yataweza kuafiki yale ambayo Sen. (Dr.) Oburu alikuwa anaangazia, ili kwamba mkulima asifinywe na vile vile mikataba kati ya mkulima na kiwanda ama kiwanda na kingine, kila mwekezaji afanye jinsi sheria inavyostahili. Asante."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Kathuri",
"speaker_title": "The Chairperson",
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"legal_name": "Murungi Kathuri",
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Osotsi."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Osotsi",
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"content": "Mr. Chairman, Sir, earlier on I rose on a point of order to demand that whenever the Mover moves these amendments, justification of the same is very important so that Members can follow up and so that any ambiguities can be handled. If I look at this proposed amendment, there is ambiguity in it because a similar amendment is on New Clause 19. We must decide on which one to adopt. Is it the new clause or this amendment? At the same time, Clause 19 (d), talks about deleting the heading appearing immediately after the subclause (3). That heading talks about Part Three of the Bill, which is licensing and regulation. It is jumbled up because this particular Clause 19 is talking about a miller and grower and whether they have an agreement or not. I am wondering why the deletion of a heading comes in here. The next thing is what happens to all those provisions under that heading? So, we need to look at Clause 19 at the same time we compare what has been proposed under New Clause 19, so that we do not end up having two clauses that are talking about the same thing. Mr. Chairman, Sir, that is not proper law-making."
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