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"content": "Division will be at the end."
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"content": "Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 59. Mr. Chairman, Sir, the rationale behind this is that the farmers will be responsible for planning their own affairs. Therefore, there is no point of having the growers’ association."
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"content": " There are requests here, but I do not know for which amendment."
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"content": "Mr. Chairman, Sir, Clause 59 that has been proposed to be deleted talks about representation of growers in a private milling company. I am extremely hesitant to support an amendment that curtails the representation of the key players in the sector - the growers. I would have loved for the Senator who moved the amendment to have given a deeper rationale for this. I am sure, Clause 59 with three sub clauses must have been subjected to rigorous public participation. We then might be accused as a House that allowed private milling companies to operate without considering the voices of the growers who are very integral to this industry. In as much as when it comes to the vote, I will probably ask the Senator to give me a greater rationale. It would have been very good for it to go on record on the thinking, the public push and agitation that has informed his decision to convince the Senate to drop representative of growers in private milling companies. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I am looking at an example of sukari industries, a private miller in Homa Bay County. If there was that hope that the growers will have a representation on their board of directors, I will find it very difficult to go back to the residents of Ndhiwa and tell them that the Senate decided that the private miller and that the Mr. Rais of this world will run their operations unfettered without any representation from the local community. I see this as the entry point of the voice of the local community and players in that private milling company. Mr. Chairman, Sir, I know the Mover may not be allowed to speak twice to the question, but let it to go on record as to why he thinks that we should support that deletion."
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"content": " Sen. Osotsi, you may have the Floor."
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"content": "Mr. Chairman, Sir, when we were doing the Second Reading, I am among the people who opposed this provision of Clause 59. I differ with my good friend Sen. Kajwang’ in the sense that, when we allow farmers to sit on the board of a private company, it goes against the dictates of the Companies Act. That is likely to discourage private investors from investing into our country. The second part of that clause talks about a representative of the farmers’ organization. This basically means, the farmers will sit, do an election and chose someone who will sit on the board of that private company. That in itself creates a risky situation for our private investor, because of the political process of choosing that representative among the growers. I think this Clause 59 is retrogressive and we should delete it. In any case, the Bill has a regulatory mechanism of managing challenges or interests of the farmers through the board. So, I support the deletion and differ with my good friend, Sen. Moses Kajwang’ on this."
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"content": " Yes, the Senate Majority Leader."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Cheruiyot",
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"content": " I do not see why there should be a fight about this. I agree with the position by Sen. Osotsi for this simple reason - sometimes, we make laws, which unfortunately, are in contradiction to already established laws. There is already a set out law in the Companies Act on how you become a board member in a company, especially the private owned company. There is no way you can do a subsidiary legislation purely for one group of companies. Sen. Kajwang’, for this, you do not even need a good lawyer, even an intern will strike out this legislation on grounds of discrimination alone because somebody will ask, “why not then Mbita millers for maize farmers?” Farmers will say they have to be in the company because they take their maize there. Since there is also an agro-processing plant in that place that we went to, called the Victory Fish Farmers, they will also say that they have to be in this company because they deliver their fish to this company. In my assessment, it is in violation of already existing laws on how you become a board of director in an institution. To single out one entity alone and say that only in sugar farming will we have this, you will then be asked about maize, tea, dairy, fish and all these other private companies that deal with the public. I agree with the wisdom of the Committee. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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