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"content": "(Resumption of debate interrupted on 24.4.2024 – Morning Sitting)"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Sen. Thangw’a, you had a balance of nine minutes on this Motion. Retrace your balance of the minutes."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support the Motion that we, as a Senate, need to do something about the pending bills. It is high time we stamp our feet. Pursuant to Article 96 of the Constitution, we are supposed to protect the interest of the counties and their governments, which means we have to protect our people."
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"content": "[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) in the Chair]"
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"content": "Our people, the citizens that we represent, contractors who woke up very early to vote for us have been working for the counties, but their counties are not paying their money. The only remedy is for them to go to court. When they go to court, they give the governors another opportunity to embezzle funds through the lawyers. Madam Temporary Speaker, as a House, we need to ask ourselves, do we stop everything and just discuss these pending bills? However, before we stop everything, we again need to ask ourselves how these county governments accumulate these amounts of pending bills. One, it is through over projecting their own source revenue thinking that they will collect more, but they collect less, yet they had committed that amount into contracts. Kiambu has been mentioned in this Motion as one of the counties with huge amounts of pending bills amounting to Kshs5.7 billion. The Kshs5.7 billion is an accumulation of pending bills from the three governors who have been there, including the current. As I speak now, I am not a prophet of doom, but I know that by the end of this financial year, June, 2024, Kiambu County will have more that Kshs10 billion as pending bills. Why? It is because the county over-projected that they were going to collect about Kshs8 billion, and yet, they have collected less than Kshs2 billion, so far. Another reason we have pending bills is county governments not following their budget lines, votes or what the Members of County Assemblies (MCAs) have already passed in the budget making process. They do requisitions to the CoB and she releases the monies. However, once the money hits the county account, it is diverted. You then ask yourself, why would a county have a huge pending bill, yet they have not even paid their employees? An example is my county. The casuals and subordinate employees who work at the hospitals have not been paid for the last six months. Sometimes you ask yourself, do we include this kind of salary delays as part of pending bills? Remember, when the issue of accumulation of pending bills was done, I do not know whether it was by choice or omission, that they omitted the monies that counties owe to the pension schemes. These county governments deduct monies from the employees, but never remit these amounts to the pension schemes. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, contractors and service providers are suffering all over. As I had earlier on said, the courts gave them authority to auction county government properties. We do not want to get there."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I would not want to see a governor driving to work, only to be stopped by auctioneers and his car is taken, so that it goes to pay the pending bills. I do not want to see a Chief Executive Committee Member (CECM) or a chief officer of a county, driving a county government vehicle, stopped on the road by auctioneers and that vehicle driven away."
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"content": "Who is going to hurt more? It is the people that we represent. Imagine an ambulance that is government property, taking a patient somewhere and then auctioneers – you know they do not know boundaries – stop the ambulance and take it to pay for a pending bill, for someone who had gone to them to auction government property. We do not want to get there."
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