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"content": "I am also aware that this matter is before the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock of the National Assembly and the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries of the Senate. I ask that we let this matter to first of all be processed by those respective Committees, after which we can then proceed on whether this Cabinet Secretary is really a criminal as alleged by the mover."
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"content": "I oppose this Motion. Thank you."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I start by stating on record that I support this Motion. If you look at the names of the Members of Parliament who have appended their signatures for the initiation of the process for the removal of this Cabinet Secretary, I am number 57. I want to just mention a few things. First, the National Assembly has a responsibility which is given to us by the people of Kenya through the Constitution that we have today. Article 95(5) of the Constitution gives the National Assembly the responsibility to review the conduct in office of the President, the Deputy President and other State officers including Cabinet Secretaries, and initiate the process of removing them from office. Today, we are embarking on one of those cardinal responsibilities given to the National Assembly by the people of Kenya. To review the conduct of a Cabinet Secretary, one Mithika Linturi, and his suitability to hold office with a view to initiate the process of removing him. I want to plead with those Members of Parliament who think they want to save Mithika Linturi. If you love this Cabinet Secretary, the more reason you should vote for this Motion. We are not removing Mithika Linturi today. By supporting this Motion, we are not removing Mithika Linturi. Article 152 of the Constitution which gives details of how to remove a Cabinet Secretary from office states that a Member of the National Assembly, like Hon. Jack Wamboka has done, supported by at least one-quarter of all the Members of the Assembly, may propose a Motion requiring the President to dismiss a Cabinet Secretary. That is the Motion we are dealing with today. The grounds are stated. The same Article goes ahead to mention that if this Motion is supported by at least one-third of the Members of the National Assembly, then the Assembly shall appoint a Select Committee comprising of 11 of its Members to investigate the matter. Hon. Speaker, if you look at the document presented to us by Hon. Wamboka, the only way justice can be done to this Cabinet Secretary is for this House to push this matter forward. A Select Committee of this House will then have an opportunity to look at the details as presented. How else will we know that this telephone call was made by Hon. Mithika Linturi if we do not give an opportunity to this House to appoint a Select Committee to scrutinise, get to the bottom of these details and bring a report to us? If the Committee finds that these matters are not properly substantiated, then the matter will end there. The Committee will report back to the House and the matter will die. But if the matters will be substantiated, then this House will proceed to take another vote. Even before we take another vote, we shall present Hon. Mithika Linturi with an opportunity to address this Parliament and defend himself. That is when we shall know whether he is innocent or not. However, stopping this process at this stage would be reckless, careless and would demonstrate a House that does not know its responsibility. I also want to add that it is not just on grounds of gross violation of the provisions of this Constitution that you would initiate a process of removing a Cabinet Secretary. It is not only on grounds where serious reasons of believing that the Cabinet Secretary has committed a crime under the National or International Law, that a process like this would be initiated. This"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "process would even be initiated if we have a reason to believe that there is gross misconduct on the parts of the Cabinet Secretary. Based on the evidence that Hon. Wamboka has presented to this House, I am particularly concerned about the issues of the National Cereals and Produce Board. The first question to those who want to oppose this Motion is; are you telling us that the National Cereals and Produce Board would go ahead, with budgetary provisions given by this House as proposed by the Cabinet Secretary, to buy kokoto instead of fertiliser? It is then given to our farmers and only whistle blowers learn about it yet we have a Ministry with a Cabinet Secretary, who is ignorant, heading it? Hon. Speaker, what worries me more is the evidence that is produced before us through a letter that is written by lawyer Ahmednasir Mohamed. Clearly, Ahmednasir is telling us that Mithika Linturi even attempted to subvert justice by trying to order this particular factory to go and issue a statement. The evidence is there. The telephone number is there. Calls were made. Safaricom can confirm the same. I want to plead with this House; we cannot treat this matter casually. It is a matter of hunger. It is a matter of food security in this country. It is a matter that can bring this country to anarchy, as the Leader of the Minority Party said. We must show responsibility. You were elected by your people to come and speak for them. They do not have a voice. They cannot talk to Mithika Linturi. It is you who can speak to him. It is you who can speak to William Ruto who appointed Mithika Linturi. When these Cabinet Secretaries were appointed, I remember saying that this will go in the records of history as the most incompetent cabinet. You can already see that. Some people are protecting Mithika Linturi and claiming that he was ignorant of what was happening in the National Cereals and Produce Board. Hon. Speaker, if Mr Linturi can be ignorant of what is happening at the National Cereals and Produce Board, then what can he not be ignorant about? This is an incompetent…."
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"speaker_name": "Ainabkoi, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samwel Chepkonga",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Speaker."
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"speaker": null,
"content": "Order, Hon. Mbadi. There is a point of order."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, I rise pursuant to Standing Order 83 as read together with Standing Order 91 on the accuracy of information that is being provided by my very good friend, Hon. Mbadi. Is it in order for the nominated Member to claim that from the time the Cabinet Secretaries were appointed he had already made up his mind that they were incompetent? Is he trying to say that he had this information but never gave to the House at the time we were approving Mithika Linturi? Is it in order for somebody to redact information which we thought he had or which he thinks he should have had? The accuracy of this information is in fact wanting. He is alleging that…in fact the conduct of the President is not at issue here. If he wants to bring a substantive Motion with the issue of…he should not mention the President. He is not part of the Motion that is in the House. The Motion in the House is in regard to Hon. Mithika Linturi who was his colleague in the 13th Parliament. Is it in order for him to claim that he had this information but never gave it to the House? That is very misleading."
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"content": "Hon. Mbadi, wind up."
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