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"content": " I have said it earlier that 10 minutes should be quite okay."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, we have two sides in this House. We have the Majority and Minority sides. The Minority side is proposing 10 and the Majority side is proposing five. If you add the two, it will give you 15. Divide by two, we come to the neutral position seven and a half minutes. So, seven and a half minutes it is. Sen. Omtatah, you spoke for two minutes. You have five and a half."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I kindly request that you do not count the two minutes because if I go that direction, I will have to speak for 18 minutes."
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"content": " Proceed, then with seven and a half."
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"content": "My comment was to be on Clause 2 of the Bill, which lifts the definition of revenue from the Commission on Revenue Act, whereby the revenue in that section is defined to exclude some revenue that is raised nationally. Articles 201, 202 and 203 of the Constitution are very clear about what kind of revenue should be shared. That is the revenue raised nationally but when you go to Section 2 of the Commission on Revenue Act, it defines a revenue that is not in the Constitution. It reduces the amount that is available to the counties. Going forward, this House should consider reviewing Clause 2 of the Bill to ensure that the revenue shared is raised nationally and not the revenue that whoever was behind that Act thought would be shared by the parties. The Commission on Revenue Act excludes money that is retained as Appropriations-in-Aid, yet this money is factored into the national budget. We should look at that fact and make sure that we review the definition of revenue. Otherwise, we are doing injustice to counties because we are not sharing the revenue raised nationally. We are sharing the revenue raised nationally minus certain revenue that is not allowed. In my submission, I also add that the Senate should adopt the higher figure of Kshs415 billion and not the lower one proposed by the National Assembly, which is Kshs391 billion. I request that the Senate approves the higher margin and sticks to it. I pray that the side that broke the ranks last time does not do so this time around, so that we ensure that our counties get money to enable devolution to go ahead, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "especially in the context that already the amount of money is reduced. The definition of revenue which we are relying on is unconstitutional because it is not revenue raised nationally. Mr. Speaker, Sir, with those few remarks, I return the microphone to you."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Methu."
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"content": "Thank you, much Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to make my comments on this Bill. In reference to Article 96, I find this as one of the most important Bills that we process, not that the other Bills that we process here are not important. This Bill that will denote money that will be send to the counties for the next financial year is important. When most of us get an opportunity to go to the villages, we talk to our people and remind them that our work here is to defend devolution. Every time we speak, we say that functions must be taken to the counties. However, there cannot be functions without resources. So, we have to always speak strongly about pushing resources to county governments. Looking at the Bill that we are dealing with and the money we are talking about, I do not want to say that the National Assembly was not fair in terms of distribution of the national revenue vis-à-vis money that we will send to county governments. However, we have to look at different things. We have a very good committee of the Senate that has always been prudent. That is the Committee on Finance and Budget. This is where I want to stress my contribution. The proposal to send Kshs415 billion to counties as proposed by the Sen. Ali Roba’s committee is what we, as the Senate, should canvass. It will be a big win especially to devolved units. There is a Statement that was requested by the Senator for Garissa. We have been grappling with the question of floods that have hit our country. We know that disaster management is a reserve of county governments. If we cannot send money to county governments, but we ask for services, we are being unfair to them. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not want to say more. I support that we should send more money to the counties. That is my submission. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Abdul Haji, you have the Floor."
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