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"speaker_name": "North Mugirango, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Joash Nyamoko",
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"content": " We are proposing that this new clause be included because the National Lands Commission has had many issues. Lawyers have gone to court and attached the National Lands Commission's accounts. This has happened in the past. NLC receives monies from different entities, especially the acquiring entities, like the Kenya National Highways Authority, the Kenya Urban Roads Authority, and the Ministry of Water, for onward transmission to project-affected persons. When those garnishees are given, that money is meant for a different purpose. That is why, based on the experience and the interaction that we have had with NLC, we found it prudent for us to protect those particular accounts."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Thank you."
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"content": "(The new clause was read a First Time)"
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"content": "(Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed)"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": "Hon. Oundo."
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is very interesting. It is coming on the heels of a judgement by the High Court that said that the Government is not necessarily new to recovery procedures in the event of failure to honour a judgement or a financial obligation. Sorry, I have been away and so, I did not follow the amendments because I did not think they would come soon. We would have separated them as advocates and State agencies do – they have a client account. Probably, it is the client account that should have been insulated against garnishees orders or any recovery process. Lumping all the funds tells the Commission: 'You people do not do much, and you are protected. Do not defend court cases.’ We will create a bit of chaos. There is a good reason, and I can see from far. But unless we cure it by separating the two sets of accounts, we will not cure the problem. Again, sorry, I must admit that I did not have time. That is why we allowed this kind of amendment to go through without tidying them up and creating a fairly untidy situation."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Thank you. Yes, Hon. Baya."
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"speaker_name": "Kilifi North, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Owen Baya",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am inviting Hon. Oundo to see this as near and not far. The NLC has been unable to discharge its mandate because every time a judgement is made, people rush to court and get garnishee orders. All the money, including what is meant for his payments in his constituency, is taken away. It becomes impossible for the NLC to continue to work. Some malicious individuals do that to disable the Commission. NLC is not a darling of many people because it is trying to cure historical land injustices that have benefitted many people for many years. To advance the spirit and letter of the Constitution on the issues of the NLC, we have to insulate it against malicious individuals who want to disable it. There are very many people who wish the NLC dead because they are the perpetrators of historical land injustices. We have to insulate and allow the NLC to advance the spirit and letter of this Constitution. This is by insulating its money and preventing it from falling under garnishee orders that justices all over the place who want to throw and subvert justice for the local, poor people. For a long time, the people have been looking for an opportunity to get justice. The poor people in Hon. Oundo’s constituency will one day require justice and be saved by the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Kilifi North, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Owen Baya",
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"content": "National Lands Commission. It requires all of us to hand-hold NLC so that it has power not just to make decisions, but to execute them for the benefit of Kenyans. I want to convince Hon. Oundo."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Hon. Oundo was not opposing anything."
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