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"speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Caroli Omondi",
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"content": "The suggested selection panel has 12 members. How they will make a decision by voting or whatever process is unknown to me. Normally, decision making is reserved to an even number of members of an organ. We should have five, seven, nine or 11 members. However, we have 12 members here. Eight of them are from political parties. How is that inclusive and representative? Only four are non-political. There are two persons who will be appointed by the Parliamentary Service Commission, which is a political organ. Three persons will be nominated by the Political Parties Liaison Committee, which is a political organ. One person will be nominated by a political party other than a parliamentary party, which is another political organ. One person will be nominated by a parliamentary party or a coalition of parties forming the national government, which is another political organ. One person will be nominated from a political party or coalition which will not form the national government, which is again politics. There is no room for competent, independent and experienced people to oversee the process. This will create more problems. We are deleting certain phrases in the proposed definition of chairperson. The Bill says that the chairperson shall be the person appointed in accordance with Article 252 of the Constitution. We are deleting the vice-chairperson or a member appointed by the members on a temporary basis to exercise the office of chairperson. That is a very serious problem. It simply means that if there is no chairperson who meets the qualifications of a Judge of the Supreme Court, then the Commission cannot function. There will be no chairperson. The decision of the Supreme Court was whoever exercises, in tempuras, the functions and duties of chairperson should have the qualifications of a judge. So, we should have re-drafted it in a different way and said that the chairperson shall retain the qualifications of a Supreme Court Judge. This should be the vice-chairperson or any other member. In other words, both the vice-chair and the chairperson should, at all times, have the qualifications of a Supreme Court Judge, so that the Commission is not stranded. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Caroli Omondi",
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"content": "If you go further and see the current Act, where the qualifications are provided for the chairperson and the vice-chairperson, you will appreciate that there is even a member who is supposed to have qualification in law. So, there is already an avenue. I do not want to speak too much to it, except warn the House that we need to seriously reflect on this matter. We should allow open debate. Members should vigorously interrogate the proposals that are here, so that we do not have a repeat of every election which comes to this particular storyline of how we need to change the law and IEBC."
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"speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Caroli Omondi",
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"content": "Nine hundred and sixty million people will use technology to vote in India. I witnessed what happened in 2007 when the Right Hon. Raila won the elections and his victory was stolen because the elections were manual. I insisted with the former President, the Late Hon. Kibaki, and Ambassador Muthaura that we would go digital in our electoral process. That is why we have Electronic Voter Identification System (EVID) and all the technology around voter registration and identification. What we still do not have is electronic voting. It is time we have an open debate on that. It is technology that will give us the integrity we need in our elections, keep clear record and access to information that we need to have credible, fair, reliable and predictable elections. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " Member for Kuria East. He will be followed by Hon. Wilberforce Oundo."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Maisori Kemero",
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"content": " Mhe. Spika wa Muda, nakushukuru kwa kunipatia nafasi hii. Matukio ambayo yamekumba nchi hii siku za hivi karibuni yameleta Mswada ambao uko mbele ya Bunge hili wakati huu. Lakini matukio hayo yamefuatia matukio mengi ambayo yamekuwa tangu nchi hii ilipopata uhuru. Kila uchaguzi ukimalizika, kunakuwa na nafasi ya Wakenya kuangalia, kuchambua na kurekebisha, kuzidisha, kuboresha na kuendeleza jinsi uchaguzi unafanywa katika nchi hii. Hivi karibuni, tulikuwa na uchaguzi ambao ulikuwa na tetesi nyingi sana zilizoleta mchakato huu ambao leo tunauzungumzia. Hatukubaliani na kila kitu ambacho kilitokana na mchakato wa NADCO lakini kwa sababu ni lazima Kenya iendelee kusonga mbele, baadhi ya mambo ambayo yametokana na hiyo ripoti inatubidi tuyazungumzie na kukubaliana nayo."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Maisori Kemero",
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"content": "Ili kuendeleza mchakato kuhusu jinsi uchaguzi utaendelea kufanywa katika nchi hii, inabidi tukubaliane na mambo machache ingawaje kuna nafasi ya kurekebisha baadhi ya mengineo. Ikumbukwe ya kwamba sio zamani, nafikiri ni mwaka wa 2016, kulikuwa na uchaguzi Marekani. Wengi wetu tunaona Marekani kama nchi iliyokomaa kidemokrasia. Demokrasia yao imekomaa kwa takriban miaka 200 kufikia sasa lakini, pamoja na hiyo, kulikuwepo na matukio sawia na yale yaliyotokea nchini Kenya tulipofanya uchaguzi mwaka wa 2022. Hiyo ni kumaanisha kwamba bado mapendekezo yako hata tukirekebisha jinsi gani kulingana na Ripoti iliyotolewa na Kamati hii ama hata na National Dialogue Committee yenyewe. Tatizo sio sheria. Tatizo ni ubinafsi na fikira za watu. Hakuna demokrasia inayoweza kusazwa kwa hili jambo kama demokrasia ya Marekani, ambayo ina miaka mingi. Hili jambo linaweza kuibua matatizo kama yanayoendelea hadi katika mahakama."
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"speaker_name": "Kuria East, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Maisori Kemero",
"speaker": null,
"content": "Kwa sababu hiyo, hata mapendekezo yaliyoko mbele yetu sio dawa ya kumaliza shida zilizoko nchini Kenya. Mawazo yangu ni kama yafuatavyo: Kwanza, Mwenyekiti anayepewa umuhimu sana anahitajika kupewa kinga ambayo Waingereza wanaiita insulation dhidi ya baadhi ya mambo tuliyoyaona kule Bomas of Kenya palipokuwa na tatizo hili. Matukio yale yanatusababisha sisi kujifunza kwamba tumempa mtu mmoja majukumu mengi muhimu lakini hatumuamini. Tunamwekea mambo mengi na watu wanamzunguka. Anashindwa kutekeleza kazi yake inavyofaa. Hata akifanya hivyo, anashukiwa. Kwa bahati mbaya, hatuwezi kuweka sheria ya tabia. Kwa Kiingereza, you cannot legislate bad or good manners. Ni vigumu. Lakini itawezekana ikiwa huyu bwana atapewa nafasi afanye kazi yake vizuri alafu sisi Wakenya The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Kuria East, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Maisori Kemero",
"speaker": null,
"content": "tuheshimu kwamba amefuata sheria zilizowekwa akitoa uamuzi. Utakuwa uamuzi wa kubainika. Hilo ni tofauti na kuweka mikangamo na mifumo kama hii ya kielektroniki na mingine ya kuendesha chaguzi. Bila sisi kuwa na imani na yule aliyewekwa pale kufanya uamuzi ule, itakuwa bado ni bure. Tutatumia hela nyingi kutengeneza systems nyingi za kielecrtoniki na nyinginezo. Itakuwa bure bila sisi kumkubali huyu bwana na kukubali kwamba maamuzi anayotoa ni sahihi kisheria, yametosha na ni ya mwafaka. Tunaheshimu mahakama zetu. Naunga mkono Mswada huu lakini Bunge hili lisipoweza kufanya kazi yake vilivyo, tutakuwa tumetoa nafasi kwa mahakama kutunga sheria kwa niaba yetu. Niruhusu niseme kwamba ukabila ndilo tatizo letu nchini. Ni matatizo ya walio wengi na walio wachache. Ni shutuma na namna ya kuangalia yanayokupendeza. Unayavuta upande wako. Hujali masilahi yanayosaidia wingi wa watu. Hayo ndiyo matatizo. Kwa bahati mbaya, hatuyazungumzii. Walio na sauti kubwa wanapata nafasi yao kwa sababu wanaweza kwenda barabarani na kufanya fujo. Hatimaye, wao husukuma mambo yao yakafika katika upeo wa kitaifa. Wao husukuma sauti yao ikasikika na watu wote wakafuata hayo wakifikiri ndivyo inafaa kuwa. Kwa hivyo, ninakubali na kuunga mkono Mswada ili tuendeleze demokrasia. Tunaendelea kwa kila hatua. Tunaweka tofali baada ya jingine tukienda mbele. Mwisho ni kuhusu maeneo bunge. Tumefika sehemu ambayo tutasema tuko kwa hatari na kwamba tumekiuka sheria na Katiba. Bila kuwepo sheria ya kupanua yale maeneo bunge mia mbili tisaini na kutatua jambo hili la Tume ya Uchaguzi na Mipaka kwa haraka, tutakuwa pia tumepitwa na wakati hata tukifanya ule mchakato wa kuyaangalia upya. Kwa hivyo, ninaunga mkono Mswada huu wa marekebisho ambao nimeusoma. Haifai kwamba muhula wa yule mwenyekiti uwe miaka mitatu. Inabidi tumpe muda mrefu zaidi. Isiwe muda wake unaisha wakati chaguzi zinafanyika. Tuweke muda ambao hautakwisha katikati ya chaguzi na awepo ofisini wakati tunatathmini historia ya chaguzi ambazo zimepita. Yaani, huyu bwana awe ofisini wakati tunachambua chaguzi na utendakazi wake. Ikiwezekana, aongezwe muda. Iwapo haongezwi muda, aondolewe . Vile vile, namna ya kumwondoa isiwe ya kuletea nchi utata. Nawachia hapo nikisema asante kwa kunipa nafasi. Vile vile, naunga mkono kuwe na nafasi ya marekebisho ya kuboresha zaidi tunapoendelea mbele. Asanteni sana kwa kunisikiza."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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"legal_name": "Farah Maalim Mohamed",
"slug": "farah-maalim"
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"content": " Next is Hon. (Dr) Oundo, who will be followed by Hon. Stephen Mogaka."
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to make my contribution to the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (Amendment) Bill of 2024. Most likely, it arises from the discussions of NADCO. We stand here today to debate this amendment Bill in the backdrop of some very embarrassing situations in which we found ourselves. The Cherera Four and the Chebukati Wing will forever be a blot to the conscience of this country. They will always be an embarrassing episode and statement on how badly an election can be held. Again, we stand here to debate this Bill when we have had no Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission for the past one-and-a-half years. We have areas of representation that have no representation and therefore denying those members the right to be represented and to participate in country’s law-making process. We stand here to debate a Bill when, for the past two elections, the IEBC has routinely refused to allow the opening of servers whenever the Supreme Court has required it to do so for scrutiny. We find ourselves in an election system that might not meet the basic requirements of an electoral system as provided for in the law and the Constitution. That, elections must be fair, verifiable and correctly tallied to assuage the fears of all. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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