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"speaker_name": "Nakuru Town East, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. David Gikaria",
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"content": "At the same time, as Parliament, we must also ask ourselves whether we sometimes legislate on matters that are unconstitutional. Do we approve them without looking at them critically? Article 67(2)(e) of the Constitution says that the function of the NLC is to initiate investigations on its own initiative or on a complaint, into present or historical land injustices, and recommend appropriate redress. Where did this time limit come from? The Constitution is very open that they can initiate investigations on their own or upon receiving a complaint into present or historical land injustices. We need to ask ourselves what historical land injustices are. How many years become historical? Do we treat a land injustice that has been there for 40 years as historical or present issue? It is important for us to address constitutional issues. As Members of Parliament, we are not supposed to make unconstitutional legislations. As indicated in Article 67(2)(e) of the Constitution, we should not have time limits. We should allow the NLC to do its work. After the promulgation of the Constitution of Kenya 2010, we went to Nakuru County. Unfortunately, there are many land cases from there. As my brother from Matuga Constituency indicated earlier, sometimes you do not know whether you should follow the Ministry of Lands, Housing and Urban Development, which issues title deeds to respective individuals; or the NLC, which says the issued title deeds are fake or just pieces of paper. It is unfortunate when we have such kind of disputes and long litigation processes that go on for over 40 years. For instance, if you go to Naivasha, there is a case that has been in court for the last 30 years. The court has not made any decision. It is important for the NLC to take up its role and address land matters, so that we stop these litigations that continue in the Environment and Land Court forever. With those few remarks, I support the Bill. However, we should not put time limits on constitutional issues like the NLC. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Trans Nzoia County, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Lilian Siyoi",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me a chance to support the Bill brought by Hon. Baya. I support it because land matters affect our country. I want to give a good example of Trans Nzoia County. There is a piece of land belonging to Kenya Prisons Service that was allocated to some individuals in Trans Nzoia County. These people have suffered. I feel that we will be doing injustice to a number of people in Kenya if we put time limit to the work of the NLC. We should remove the time limit and give them time and powers to execute their duties as mandated so that we deal with land injustices in Kenya. People have suffered because it takes a number of years before their cases are heard. I do not know whether this has been indicated here. I feel that the NLC could be given powers to fast track the reviews they are doing for the people affected. People’s properties are being demolished yet they have spent a lot of money to construct them. These people have been allocated these lands and they have been there for a very long time. After some time, you come to realise that these people are being evacuated and displaced from those places. Nobody cares about them. There is no compensation. That is why I support the idea that the NLC should be given mandate to manage public land and help members of the public get justice. I also support because I realised that people have been given original title deeds acquired from the Ministry of Lands, with signatures of land registrars. Later, you are told the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Trans Nzoia County, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Lilian Siyoi",
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"content": "title deed is not original or it is fake. You wonder how you acquired fake title deeds that bear the signatures of land registrars who are still in office. Nobody talks about them or questions them. No one has been prosecuted for putting signatures on the title deeds we are saying are not genuine. I stand to support this amendment Bill. I congratulate Hon. Baya for bringing forward these amendments. Thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " Hon. Feisal Bader, Member for Msambweni Constituency."
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"speaker_name": "Msambweni, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Feisal Bader",
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"content": " Asante sana kwa kunipa nafasi hii niongeze sauti yangu kwenye huu Mswada ulioletwa na Mheshimiwa Owen Baya. Vile vile, nampongeza Mheshimiwa Owen Baya kwa kuuzingatia na kuuleta hapa ili Tume ya Ardhi iongezwe muda wa kufanya kazi waliyopatiwa na Katiba ya Kenya. Suala la ardhi ni muhimu sana na nyeti. Tume ya Ardhi iliundwa kuangazia mambo mengi. Mojawapo ni kuangalia dhuluma za kihistoria. Nikisema dhuluma za kihistoria, sisi Wapwani tumedhulumiwa sana kuhusu masuala ya ardhi yetu. Nazungumza hapa nikiwakilisha Eneo Bunge la Msambweni. Mpaka leo, sisi ni Maskwota katika kijiji nilichozaliwa. Uskwota ule umesababishwa na dhuluma kwa sababu umiliki wa ardhi yote – Zaidi ya ekari elfu nne – umeshikiliwa na mabwenyenye wawili peke yake. Wananchi wa pale, zaidi ya familia elfu tano, tunakaa katika ekari kumi na tatu pekee. Kwa hivyo, Mswada huu utaipa nguvu Tume ya Ardhi iendelee kupokea malalamishi na kuyatatua ili Wakenya na Wapwani waweze kumiliki ardhi zao. Tuko na matatizo mengi ya ardhi. Mpaka sasa, hatuwezi kufanya maendeleo katika sehemu zetu. Nina wadi moja katika eneo bunge langu iitwayo Ukunda ambako kuna changamoto nyingi sana. Mpaka sasa hatuwezi kuweka mradi wowote wa kimaendeleo katika wadi hii. Kwa hivyo, naomba Wajumbe wenzangu katika Bunge hili waunge Mswada huu mkono ili upitishwe na Wakenya wapate hatimiliki na kumiliki ardhi zao kihalali."
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"speaker_name": "Kinangop, JP",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kwenya Thuku",
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"legal_name": "Zachary Kwenya Thuku",
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"content": " On a point order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise on Standing Order 95. Looking at the mood of the House, and because there is repetition in the contributions being made in this House, the feeling is that maybe we should move forward. We have some other urgent matters that also need some attention."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"legal_name": "Farah Maalim Mohamed",
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"content": " Under the circumstances, I will put the Question that the Mover be called to reply."
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"content": "(Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to)"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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"legal_name": "Farah Maalim Mohamed",
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"content": "Mover, proceed and reply."
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"speaker_name": "Kilifi North, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Owen Baya",
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"content": " I thank the Members who have contributed to this very important Bill that aims at giving power to the NLC to review historical land injustices and grants. That power granted in the Constitution was taken away through a legislation. It is important that the NLC goes back to look at these issues and solve land problems in this country. I have heard many Members request that we do one or two amendments. I am happy to engage them, plus the Committee, so that as we move to the Committee of the whole House, we make amendments that will help this country move forward. What is important is that the NLC gets power to review grants and look at historical land injustices. That is so that all problems that led to the Njonjo Commission, the Ndung’u Commission, and all the commissions appointed, are sorted out. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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