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"content": "levels, people call on the next level, if they reach their limit of ability. In many situations, interns see patients right through to discharge. When we talk of stipends, are we saying that those people are not employed? In that case, you will have two doctors working side by side and doing the same thing. One will be on a full salary of Ksh200,000 and the other one on a salary of Ksh90,000. How will that work? Is that good for peace in the industry?"
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"content": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, I have given you that latitude because of your tremendous interest in the matter. Can you now ask the question? You have made a speech."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, all these are questions. On insurance, the Cabinet Secretary said that it has been paid at the national level. That means some doctors at the county level do not have it. That is the status. We need to use the coordination mechanisms within the Government which are provided in the Constitution so that not only doctors, but also health workers can have similar conditions of work across the board. This is one of the areas that is giving us problems. The next question is on the post-graduate doctors. I am asking this question because it is a problem that exists. It is an issue in the current strike. I raised it in the Departmental Committee on Health. I would like to ask the Cabinet Secretary if it can help this country. Why is it that the post-graduate doctors work full-time in Government-funded hospitals? While funding those hospitals, we should create those positions which are paid for, so that the counties do not pay them when they are working in Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH). The counties can use that money to employ doctors during the period they are away. This is another area that gives us a problem."
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"content": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, ask your last question."
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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, I will stop now. However, it means that I will come back with yesterday’s request. This is because some things have not been addressed."
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"content": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, I have given you five minutes to ask a question."
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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, on the recognition of the doctors as members of the union, do we take them as employees? If they are, then by right, they will be members of a union. Are they employees or not? I must add that all over the world, medical interns are employees who earn salaries. Even here in Kenya, there are private hospitals that employ interns and they pay them. So, the question is important. I have the interest of this country at heart. This is my last question. I would like to suggest an idea which can help this country. This is not a question but a comment. The Cabinet Secretary can comment on it. The problem we have is limiting that all interns must only be employed by the Ministry. The Cabinet Secretary or her technical team can understand this suggestion. We should have a regulation on all levels of hospitals where interns can work. These are Level 4 and Level 5 hospitals, whether they are private or public. We should create positions for interns by law. When you start a hospital, there is a certain number of staff you should have. If we do that, we will open a large space for interns. We shall not have this problem. They do not have to be paid by the Government. Aga Khan University Hospital, the Karen Hospital, Tenwek Hospital and AIC Kijabe Hospital have interns whom they pay. We have to look at it broadly so that we get rid of this perennial problem of interns. Hon. Speaker, I may seek how to discuss this issue in detail later. I leave it there for now."
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"content": "Hon. Members, I gave Hon. Nyikal that latitude because, as you are aware, he had attempted to bring a Motion of Adjournment on this matter. I assured him that I would give him the latitude that I have extended to him. The rest of the joyriders, ask one question each. Hon. Mishi Mboko. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Likoni, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mishi Mboko",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I would like to ask our Cabinet Secretary about the gross and net salary of the intern doctors. Is it true that it was reduced by 91 per cent? Thank you, Hon. Speaker."
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"content": "Thank you. We will take more questions, Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Junet Mohamed."
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