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"content": "I am told Hon. Zamzam was on the Floor. Wipe the screen so that I can see who the new interests are. Hon. Beatrice Elachi, do you want to speak to this? Hon. Caroli Omondi?"
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"content": "We will start with Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Hon. Caroli, you better log in. I cannot see you on the screen."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support this Bill by Hon. Owen Baya. In the amendments, the Member is requesting us to see the crisis in NLC. Five years have lapsed and the Commission needs five more years to continue with their mandate."
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"content": "That is a good idea. It also means we are going back to the old days when we used to have land injustices. As much as we support the Bill, we can give the Commission five years to review the cases and continue working. If we open the process, it means anyone can file their cases. It will become an overlapping issue between the Ministry and the Commission. We will not even know where to go. As much as I support it, I want us to be very clear that we will go back on what the Constitution intended. We need to review and give the Commission the five years that they need to continue with their work. While talking about land issues, the biggest injustices we find ourselves in - and I have kept crying about this - are the schools we have in Nairobi. You ask yourself how a school land has estates. People man the estates and hold all the Safaricom systems. Safaricom pays other The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "people and not even the school itself. I have just seen some recommendations from the Ministry of Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development that say one person was fighting to get part of Lavington Primary School. It was then revoked in 2017. If it was revoked in 2017, why are we back again in conflict with the same team? It is like we wait until the end and then come rushing to Parliament. We knew very well that in five years, the Commission would have a crisis. We have waited until time has lapsed and then we come here. At this time, you can imagine how many things are happening or being done the wrong way. In the proposed amendment by Hon. Owen Baya, we should re-look at the mandate of the Commission. Let us stop this conflict we have created where the Ministry is becoming more powerful than the NLC, which takes us back to the same challenges. Some people hide files. I have been looking for the Lavington Primary School file for the last two years. We have walked a journey in the Ministry. I thank the Cabinet Secretary, Alice Wahome. When she came in, things have started moving very fast. As I conclude, the big crisis we face in Nairobi is about public land that people have taken. You cannot even know public or private land or how a title deed is given. You wonder why townhouses are in schools. You are told that is how the title is. As we look at the amendment, we also need to come up with a clear resolution on all schools. Go back and look at school maps in a proper way and know how we ended up losing so much land. A primary school in Nairobi was meant to have a secondary school. Today, we cannot. Even if we have, we are squeezing them because people have taken the land. When you go for the title itself, you find yourself in a crisis with the Nairobi City County."
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