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"content": "there, people were already in centralised places. If we have an earthquake in Kenya, how we will react will be shocking because we do not have those centralised places. In Indonesia, everybody knows that there is an earthquake. Every hotel has a centralised area. We should also have automated systems even in our hotels, not only for earthquakes but also for other things. For instance, my county, Homa Bay, is an earthquake-prone area. However, do we have such things? I know Hon. Gladys Wanga will do something about it. She has just served her first year. However, we need to put in place such things in law. The other issue that is of concern to me is the definition of ‘emergency preparedness.’ I encourage the Committee to add—as part of emergency preparedness—that we should have a policy and monitoring system in place for both the national government and county governments. We need an early warning system, continuous public education and awareness by the public on disaster risk response, including emergency telephone numbers and call centres. There should also be facilities and equipment for effective and quick response in case of disasters, including fire trucks. We should have land, water and air ambulatory services. If a disaster occurs in Mfangano Island right now, we will have a challenge because we do not have a boat ambulatory system. We raised this matter with our governor and she said she would bring it. I am not saying this in relation to Homa Bay County only, but also in relation to other areas covered with water. If there is an emergency or a disaster, how do you respond quickly? The response systems that we have are mainly private. It is hard for us to mobilise them. You might even find the ferry is in Kisumu or in another place. It is also slow. When you are dealing with disasters, you need quick responses. These are some of the issues that should be addressed. In Clause 4 of the Bill, one of the guiding principles should be protecting vulnerable groups including women, children, persons with disabilities and the elderly in cases of disasters. We have not mentioned them specifically. Disaster affects different groups differently. When there are women and children, in cases of disasters, women will be prone to sexual abuse and all other kind of issues. How do we respond women’s concerns in such circumstances, where they no longer have any habitation? What about menstrual hygiene when you have disasters? I suggest that we include the Cabinet Secretary for Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage in the National Disaster Risk Management Authority because of such issues. I know we are also trying to make it smaller. However, we need to have the Cabinet Secretary who, in most cases, also doubles up as the one in charge of young persons. I know that it is not the same now, but it will be important. On the issue of governance, there is an issue that I have been speaking to a lot in this House. However, I will re-emphasise it. There is a tendency where you find one Kenyan in two boards or serving in a government office and also in a board. There are many Kenyans who do not have anything. We should give them a chance to serve in these boards. Do we have one person who has exceptional intellectual capacities? We must also address those things. In governance, we must also look at the way we phrase the powers that we give to the Chairperson of the Board. One of them should not be to dismiss somebody for absenting himself or herself without justification. We also need to ensure that we take a zebra approach when we appoint the boards or office holders of any of the bodies. If you have a male Chair, you should have a female Vice- chair and vice-versa. I have written a few of the issues. I will not mention all of them. I just want to complete by saying one of the things that I have told you before. I sponsored the Victim Protection Act. One of the sections in the Act is the mass victimisation arising from a crime. For instance, there is the issue of terrorism. When we have terrorist attacks, how do we respond as a country? Every single person walks in there to respond, but not the officers. Secondly, in their response, we do not preserve the evidence and look at the victim. We do not preserve the dress that the person is wearing for purposes of identification or any other identifying features, like what we see in many of the programmes in the USA or other areas. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "I went to Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) one time and I was very shocked. I recently saw that they wanted to dispose of bodies. They told people to go and do it. I asked them whether they keep any evidence such that when somebody wants to identify a person who is lost, they can do so. They said they do not do so. I was shocked. For instance, we cannot trace Mr Matunga, who used to be an Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) member who disappeared from Gwassi to date. There is no Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) evidence. This applies to mass victimisation as well. I have proposed several amendments to this Bill even though it is good and timely. I encourage the Leader of the Majority Party to be more futuristic and stop looking backwards. He should stop blaming other people, including Dr Matiang’i. The country has moved on. With those few remarks, I support the Bill."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. You are always very informative. Next is Hon. (Dr) Suzanne Kiamba, Member for Makueni."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this Bill. While I think it is in order to have the National Disaster Risk Management Authority, I wish to raise a few concerns. One of them is the fact that we work very hard in this country to create many structures. We have many of them that end up having no budget or money to do what we wish them to do. For example, on issues of water, you will find Tanathi Water Works Development Agency, Athi Water Works Development Agency, Water Resources Management Authority (WRMA) and around three others. However, the budget against the programmes is quite wanting. For example, disaster risk management is under a particular ministry. The institutional capacity within the ministry is also very weak. Why should we continue creating more structures while we have institutionalised structures that do not have capacity? The moment we create a structure, it will attract a budget. We are living at times in this country when money is very scarce. I see a new budget coming up when I sit and listen to debate about this Bill. I am wondering when we will have money for the outcomes we want to deliver in this country if we continue making many budgets overheads. I also find it very interesting because disaster happens occasionally, and not every day. You must have a budget to be taken care of every month the moment you create an authority. Disaster should be mainstreamed because we have health, water, food and security related disasters. In my view, an authority is so much an overhead. We need a department to mainstream risk and disaster management. That way, we will reduce the cost of managing these disasters right from the national level to the county level. Otherwise, we will have so many structures with no money to enable them deliver the outcome we want for our people"
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"content": "You can see I do not agree with this Motion of having more structures. As a Kenyan representative, I am interested in delivering outcomes to our people. Look at our leadership structure. We have a Kenyan at the grassroot level represented by the President, the Deputy President, Senator, Woman Representative, Governor, Member of Parliament, and Member of County Assembly. I have not mentioned the Chief and the Assistant Chief. What reaches that voter at the ground after all these processes? When it comes to service delivery, we go through the same line-up. Let me not call it a mess. It is the same kind of thinking. We will create so many structures. When it comes to service delivery, we will spend most of the income without bringing the change we want. I am opposing this Motion. In my view, risk management does not happen every day. We should not have somebody sitting in an office 365 days in a year waiting for a disaster to happen. People in every sector and ministry should strengthen their disaster preparedness components. By doing so, we can deliver seamless outcome to our people when disaster The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "emerges. Otherwise, I oppose the creation of that structure. I wish it could be integrated in already existing structures and we will deliver service. Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. (Dr) Suzanne Kiamba is saying that if Parliament is struck now, we should not have some authority sitting somewhere deciding whether there should be a response. We should have in-built disaster response systems. According to her, there is no need for an authority. That is what she is saying. Hon. Martin Owino says that we should classify disasters along those that the counties and the national governments respond to instead of waiting for a disaster to strike and then sit down and plan on how to respond. Everybody will be dead by then."
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"content": "The Mover should now reply. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, I see you. I remember giving you an opportunity to address the nation on this Bill. Proceed, Mover."
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