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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Hon. Janet Sitienei."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am very disappointed with the response. I do not even know how to explain it. In short, most of the questions were evaded. I want to cite two cases. About the children that fell into the trench and died, they have only mentioned one child and have not made a real commitment for compensation or even felt sorry about it. Two, they have only dwelt on the conflict at the harvesting farm. On Christmas Day, 25th December 2021, three people were maimed and three others shot dead. The corpses were lying there. It was even in the papers. They have not made any mention of it. They have only denied use of live ammunition on them. On this day, however, there was live ammunition used during a baraza between the community and the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF). They have not even mentioned something about what we requested or the plans they have to evade any more accidents in the trenches. I expected a reply on how they are going to protect or fence off the trenches so that the community or innocent children do not accidentally fall into those trenches again. What happened was accidental. It was not trespass. This was a five-year-old child who was just walking around and, because there were trenches, fell into a trench innocently without knowing. I am not satisfied with the response. However, we will take another avenue. Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Nelson Koech, before you respond, Hon. Kangogo, wanted to say something."
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"speaker_name": "Marakwet East, UDA",
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"content": " No. Let him respond first."
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"content": " Hon. Nelson, proceed."
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"speaker_name": "Belgut, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Nelson Koech",
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"content": " I feel it, Hon. Janet. If you have further questions for the Ministry of Defence, I would kindly ask that you use the same channel to request for additional information. My Committee will take your questions extremely serious."
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"speaker_name": "Ruaraka, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. TJ Kajwang’",
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"content": " Point of order."
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"content": " Hon. Tom Joseph Francis Kajwang’, what is out of order?"
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"speaker_name": "Ruaraka, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. TJ Kajwang’",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I listened to Hon. Janet’s response to the Cabinet Secretary’s remarks and she said something profound: the Cabinet Secretary’s response is not accurate in substance. That should worry us. In fact, in unparliamentary language, it would mean that the Cabinet Secretary is lying to the House. She says that on 25th December 2021, on Christmas Day, three people died because of bullet The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_name": "Ruaraka, ODM",
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"content": "wounds. People who die of bullet wounds are what a human being can see. Three people died because of bullet wounds and two others were maimed yet in the response by the Cabinet Secretary, he gives a statement which I found very worrisome. He says that no live ammunition was used. Those two statements are irreconcilable. One says three Kenyans died yet a Cabinet Secretary says there was no live bullet used. When a Cabinet Secretary makes a statement which is untruthful on a matter of fact, should the House not reprimand them if it turns out that this is untrue? And should the Cabinet Secretary be ordered to give a further statement on the accuracy, if only on the use of firearms? I take the Member very seriously because Members do not lie in this House. When a Member says three people are dead because of bullet wounds, it is true. We take an oath here to defend the Constitution and be truthful to this House. I tend to think that Hon. Janet is telling the truth on this matter. When the Cabinet Secretary says there was no firearm used, should we not ask the Cabinet Secretary to make further statements on that issue so that we get the truth of this matter?"
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