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"content": " Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to support this Bill because disasters have taken a toll on the socio-economic and political aspects of this land. This is an area that has never been given a lot of attention in the past. Therefore, with this Bill, we should have more focus on how to manage this animal called disaster. It is true that we have never had a legal framework for coordinating disasters in this country, and that is what this Bill is addressing. The establishment of the Intergovernmental Council on Disaster Risk Management and the National Disaster Risk Management Authority will form the basis for coordinating activities of various types of disasters when they occur. I note that the counties will also be involved. In the past, counties were left out in the management of disasters. The Bill classifies disasters. We have suffered because of floods, which are natural. We have also suffered from man-made disasters in this country. We have also suffered from earthquakes. We have suffered from wild fires as well as industrial fires. In addition, we have suffered terrorist attacks and pandemics. This Bill, therefore, classifies various disasters with reference to how each one of them will be dealt with."
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"content": "Hon. Temporary Speaker, these activities cannot continue properly unless the Government puts financial resources and personnel into the disaster management initiative. This Bill brings in funding. It stipulates how money will be appropriated, accounted for and audited. It brings information on risk management. In many cases, there has never been a central database from which to borrow data, analyse and make decisions. This Bill is establishing a framework for gathering information, protecting that information, sharing it and relating with it in future decisions. The Bill is looking at what the national Government and county governments will do."
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"content": "We have seen very many disasters happen in this country, and we have seen nobody take responsibility or provide resources. I presume that is why all these ministries are being put together. The National Assembly is key in appropriating resources for disaster management. Therefore, this Bill is very important. If there is no response at the Government level, the responsibility lies squarely with the cabinet secretaries and the Council of Governors (CoG). That means there will be continuous engagement in terms of the way we relate to disaster issues. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I see some conflict of interest in this Bill. We are talking about the Intergovernmental Council of Disaster Risk Management as the apex. Then the National Disaster Management Authority follows. We have to be very careful with the structures. Where is specialisation? The Council lacks specialisation. For example, I have seen that the Council and the Authority will have the Principal Secretary responsible for disaster risk management and another one responsible for drought management. This is one and the same thing."
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"content": "This Bill does not mention the roles to be played by our universities in terms of research, data gathering and analysis. We need to have people with a lot of knowledge on disaster management in the Board, the Council and the Authority. You cannot avoid the universities, particularly the University of Nairobi. It needs to be included to provide expertise. We need international relations when it comes to sharing information. Universities are better placed to analyse information across the globe. When you do not involve them at the apex or authority level, then we are not doing justice to disaster and risk management. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "Therefore, even as I support the Bill, I urge that we have more specialised personnel appointed to the proposed Authority. Let us not make the mistake of having political appointees because disaster management is a serious matter. People have died, others have suffered economically and populations have been displaced. We have spent a lot of money we cannot account for, and very many wrong things have happened. If this Bill is implemented with the amendments that we will bring, I am sure that disaster risk management in this country will be properly undertaken."
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"content": "With those remarks, I support."
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"content": " Hon. Members, let us now listen to Hon. John Mutunga for his expertise in matters disasters."
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"speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to support this Bill. The Bill was once brought to this House and it disappeared for very many years. I can remember the last time we were discussing a legislation on disaster management was in 2007. It always comes and goes. I hope this time round it will see the light of day and become law because Kenya needs a law on disaster risk management. Hon. Temporary Speaker, disasters are majorly categorised into two types. Natural disasters, which occur whether we want or not due to climate change and other factors. The other category is technological disasters, which are as a result of man’s influence. Basically, disasters are enhanced emergencies which occur incidentally and have negative connotation and orientation. I note that the Bill carefully recognises that disasters are those emergencies which are beyond the capacity of a given jurisdiction to contain. If an occurrence is within the capacity of a jurisdiction, or an entity or organisation to contain, it is an emergency. It becomes a disaster the moment it goes beyond that particular jurisdiction. A country, considered as jurisdiction in this case, would also have a disaster. The Government can call upon the international community to intervene. That is why the disaster declaration process is captured in this Bill in very good order. Disaster risk management has to do with containment of risks. I want to take a minute to allude to what Hon. Oundo was talking about. The professor was saying that there is a lot of negativity in the Bill. We grade disasters based on the credible worst scenario, which is considered to be the best to respond to. Therefore, a disaster cannot really be positive because we have to deal with bad situations. Disasters are basically about natural or technological occurrences that are bad in terms of the causative agents, which we call hazards. Hon. Temporary Speaker, there are four key principles captured in this Bill, and we need to dwell on them. The Bill seeks to have the functions of the relevant agencies discharged in a co-ordinated manner. During disaster, there is no time to do things properly. It is important for us to be prepared so that we can better coordinate and collaborate. In collaboration, disaster management has four factors. One is trying to make sure that disasters do not occur at all, which is mitigation. This is about building the capacity of a country to reduce the possibilities of disasters occurring, or doing anything possible to minimise the disasters themselves. Hazards cause disasters. So, we need to identify and interrogate in order to understand them. We also need to do hazard analysis to know what kind of risks they pose to a community, entity or jurisdiction. Hon. Temporary Speaker, we cannot be disaster prepared unless we have mechanisms for response at all levels; from individuals to households and national levels. Preparedness is key. This is the ability to identify what types of hazards we are facing and quantifying them so The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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