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"speaker_name": "Butere, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Tindi Mwale",
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"content": " Ahsante Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Pia mimi nitaendelea kuzungumzia Mswada huu kwa lugha ya taifa, vile mwenzangu kutoka Matuga amefanya. Kwanza, ningetaka kumshukuru Mwenyekiti wa Kamati yangu, Mhe. Chepkong’a, kwa kuleta Mswada huu. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Tindi Mwale",
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"content": "Jambo la kwanza, Bunge la Kenya lina vyumba viwili. Bunge la Taifa ambalo lina Wabunge Wateule na Bunge la Seneti. Mara kwa mara, tumeona shida nyingi sana kama kutoelewa ni nani anafaa kufanya kazi fulani. Kwa hivyo, namshukuru mwenzangu kwa kuleta Mswada huu ambao unaangalia mawasiliano katika vyumba hivi viwili, haswa kuhusu jambo la uangalizi ama kwa Kiingereza, oversight . Utapata Waziri anakuja katika Bunge la Taifa na kuzungumza kuhusu uangalizi wa fedha ambazo zimepotea. Pia unapata katika Bunge la Seneti huyo Waziri mmoja anaitwa na Kamati ya Seneti kujibu yale maswali ambayo aliulizwa katika Bunge la Taifa. Kwa hivyo, tukipata mwelekeo kupitia kwa huu mpangilio, kwamba maswali fulani yataulizwa na Kamati ya Bunge la Taifa na mengine yataulizwa na Kamati ya Bunge la Seneti, itakuwa bora Katika Bunge la 12, wakati wa kusoma Bajeti, tulikuwa tunakaa hapa sisi wote - Wabunge na Maseneta. Lakini kwa sababu ya kukosa mwelekeo, tulifika mahali Spika wa wakati huo, Mhe. Justin Muturi, akapeana mwelekeo kwamba Bajeti ikisomwa ni sisi pekee yetu tunafaa kukaa hapa. Kwa hivyo, huu Mswada unapeana mwelekeo, vile vyumba viwili vya Bunge la Kenya vitafanya kazi na kuweza kuwaridhisha Wakenya ndio wajue vile shida zao zinasuluhishwa. Ahsante."
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"content": " Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu",
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As you will realise, I have changed seats thrice because the intervention button in this row is not working. I wish our technical people can look into this because we are facing challenges. I want to thank Hon. Chepkong’a because, for the first time, he got it right. Many other times… This Bill is very important. Hon. Temporary Speaker, you and I have been here long enough and saw the First Senate which was…"
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"content": " Use the microphone next to you."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu",
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"content": " Okay. Thank you. As I was saying, in this row, the gadgets have a problem and something should be done. Hon. Temporary Speaker, you and I have been in this House for the last 12 years. During this time, we have seen a lot of sibling rivalry, where the Senate and National Assembly have been doing things unexpected of them. Parliament has two Chambers; the Senate and National Assembly. The law is very clear that the Senate was created to address the interests of counties, while the National Assembly is supposed to take care of national level interests. As most Members have said, we have seen a situation where the Senate has been dealing with national Government issues which the National Assembly should oversee. To me, this is not a major problem but a situation where the Senate takes the National Assembly to court and yet, we all know that PSC does Parliament’s budget. So, it pays the lawyers representing the National Assembly in court and, at the same time, pays the lawyers defending the Senate and vice versa . Such confusion should not be allowed to continue. That is why I thank Hon. Chepkong’a for bringing this Bill. Hon. Temporary Speaker, you and I have served in the Budget and Appropriations Committee, and we are aware of the matter regarding the origin of money Bills. The law is very clear that money Bills can only originate in this Chamber and not the other one. We have cases where Senators have originated money Bills and, as a result, we kill them at this level. It might appear like we are killing them for the sake of doing so but, it is a constitutional requirement that they cannot originate them. That is why the idea of having joint sponsorship of Bills has become very innovative. It is something we are pushing so that we can cushion the Senate against originating money Bills. Another important matter is the issue of superiority. Who is senior? Kenyans are not expecting to know who is senior, but to see both Chambers working and generating Bills and Motions which will help this country move to the next level. There are instances where some The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu",
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"content": "Bills have challenges. For example, we have been discussing about county governments raising their own revenue and accountability issues. County assemblies are trying their best to ensure that there is accountability. I think the Senate can come in and support them so as to ensure that the money that is generated at the county level is used for the benefit of the counties. This area has a huge gap. Another area they have not been very active as they should, is the fight against corruption. Every time Members go home, they find serious corruption issues relating to the county governments. We have seen a number of governors in the media being taken to court. I wish the Senate could focus more on such issues rather than calling the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration or Cabinet Secretary for Education and chancellors of universities. Those are national functions and should be addressed at the national level. As we go to the Third Reading of this Bill, we should get it right so that in future, we have a legal framework which will ensure we have a very well-structured way of doing things. That way, never again will we have a situation where the Senate takes the National Assembly to court or vice versa . In so doing, we will be making proper use of the resources that are given by Kenyans to PSC. Hon. Temporary Speaker, with those many remarks, I support this, Bill. Once more, I want to thank Hon. Chepkong’a for bringing this important initiative."
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"content": " Before I give a chance to the Member for Uasin Gishu to speak, Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students who are seated in the Public Gallery from Church Army Academy, Makadara Constituency, Nairobi County and children from Kibauni Secondary School, Mwala Constituency, Machakos County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House, this morning. Member for Uasin Gishu."
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"speaker_name": "Uasin Gishu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Gladys Boss",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to lend my voice to this very important Bill. I congratulate Hon. Chepkong’a for having the wisdom and vision to bring this Bill. If the relations between the Senate and the National Assembly could be streamlined, and if there could be guidelines on the roles and the areas each House should cover, we will become more effective. Sometimes, we see the Senate overseeing the Executive very vigilantly and yet, they do not oversee governors or devolution at the same level. When we go around our counties, we see, for example, a case of a hospital that has been under construction for ten years but not completed at a great expense to the public. What should the Senate do in such an instance? The Senate should visit such a place and ask why money has been spent but the hospital is incomplete. I know of a case of a design of a hospital with 13 theatres. Even Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital does not have 13 theatres. Such a design is an example of a corruption ring. There are cases where delegated legislations at the national level are done and the Senate summons the Executive to explain those particular pieces of legislations. They do this and yet, they do not do anything to ensure that they streamline delegated legislations that are passed by County Executive Committee (CEC) Members in the counties and county assemblies. They should do that because that is where there is a challenge. There are different delegated legislations that are passed at county assembly level. For example, Nandi County and Uasin Gishu County, which are 40 kilometres apart, have different delegated legislations. As a result, business people have great difficulty operating because the legislations are not streamlined. We should pass this Bill so that the Senate can be directed to focus more on their mandate of devolved functions. For example, on agriculture, there should be uniform delegated legislations at the county assembly level. The Government policy at the moment is that certain counties should be zoned to grow certain cash crops. We know that Kenya's second largest import after petroleum is edible oil. We should have a massive drive that is pushed by the Senate, through The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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"content": "various policy and legislations, to ensure that edible oil crops are grown in the counties. That way, the Senate will be doing much more justice in improving devolution. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Again, I appreciate Hon. Chepkong’a for bringing this Bill. I support."
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