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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Joe Nyutu."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Bill and my reason for supporting this Bill is that I am excited about the capping or the ceilings for recurrent expenditure. Since then, we have been having issues with counties all over for overspending on the recurrent expenditure. The provision to have this on the Second Schedule makes me support this Bill. Additionally, the fact that the resources are going to follow functions, in that every County Executive will, in consultation with the national Government, determine the cost of the transferred function and have the monies transferred, is something that makes me feel we should support this Bill. Mr. Speaker, Sir, accountability, especially when a county function has been transferred to a national Government as provided for in Section 6(4), that such an entity will submit quarterly reports to the Senate, will bring a lot of light to this. This reminds The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "me of the Nairobi Metropolitan Services (NMS) and that such bodies will now report to the Senate makes me feel that we should support this Bill. As we support these allocations to counties, we must also call out the governors and remind them that these monies are public funds and they should be accountable to them. Mr. Speaker, Sir, if you may allow me, I want to call out the Governor of Isiolo, who has been called to the Senate Committee on Health three times. As if that was not enough there is a clip going around of him saying that he will only attend a committee summoned by the Senate when he feels like it. This reminded me of the comments that Adan Duale made one time, ‘Hii si pesa ya mama yako.’ We must call out the Governor for Isiolo and every other governor that does not want to account for the funds so disbursed to their counties. We cannot just fight for them to have more resources and when it comes to accountability, they do not want to account for this. I want to stop there, but ask the governors, as they also collect revenue in the counties, they should also consider the conditions that affect our people in the counties and not raise these charges where not necessary. I applaud my governor for improving on ---"
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Oburu."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to take this opportunity, just as my colleagues have done, to congratulate the committee, which was negotiating the Division of Revenue between the Equitable Shareable Revenue. They did a good job. However, the job they did as far as I am concerned, is not enough. Mr. Speaker, Sir, when you talk of division of revenue, you should always take into consideration the fact that there is inflation in this country. Therefore, when you are saying that you give counties at least 15 per cent of the total revenue of the last audited accounts which was two to three years ago, you are not taking into consideration that every year there is an inflation of more than 10 per cent. Consequently, when you give an increment of say, Kshs500 or Kshs200 million on Kshs7 billion, for example, for my County of Siaya, you are giving nothing. When you talk of real money, it means the value of that money at that particular time. We cannot be saying that we are giving counties more money when in fact we are not giving them more money. We are just giving them the same money that we gave them last year because that increment that we give is consumed by inflation. I know that when we give money, there are people, particularly in the county assemblies, who are very uncomfortable with this oversight that you want to do. A confusion that the Senate wants to take over the role of oversight from the county assemblies is far from the truth. We cannot just be allocating money to the counties and we are expected not to monitor how that money is spent. There is a role, which the county assemblies play. There is also a big role for the Senate. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have sat down with my county Government and told them about our limit of where we are going to go. There are guidelines, which have been given here that do not touch on the functions of the county assemblies. Let the assemblies do their monitoring part and let us also continue doing our part. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Dullo."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I sat in the Mediation Committee, but it was hard for us as a Senate to convince the National Assembly to give us more funding. This is the only time that we have managed as a Senate to have an increment after the Houses have passed the ceiling."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I remember over the years we used to increase the budget, but every time you will see that the governors would throw us under the bus when it comes to allocation. I will support this particular Bill, but with a very heavy heart as a Senator of Isiolo County. Mr. Speaker, Sir, in this allocation, we have a Kshs400 million increase to Isiolo County. However, it is really sad that we release the money and somebody sits at the county and says, “I am not accountable to the Senate or I am not accountable to the Senator of that county.” The Governor for Isiolo was called to appear before the Committee on Health yesterday with summons. He has refused to appear even after the Committee has issued two summonses. Where are we heading to? We had such cases in 2013 and 2014. However, with time, the governors saw that there was no need for them to refuse to appear before the Senate. This is the 21st Century. As I speak here, we do not have a morgue in Isiolo County. It only requires only a cooling system. That is what the Governor was coming to explain, but he has refused. As a House, we must have a solution to this. We cannot be lamenting forever. If I was given an opportunity today, I would move a Motion to stop budgetary allocation to Isiolo County. However, I will wait. Imagine where members of staff are deducted the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) that is not remitted. Pending bills of the food in the hospitals have not been paid. Patients are told to fuel ambulances. We also do not have theatres in the two sub-counties of Isiolo."
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