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"content": "Good. Sen. Maanzo, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Bill. It is important to point out that the Senate is here to protect devolution. I like what the Committee led by Sen. Ali Roba has done. What is most important is that devolution has certain parameters that are in the Constitution. Mr. Speaker, Sir, agriculture, health and water are devolved. However, the biggest problem has been health and agriculture. Many functions for health and agriculture, which should be devolved, are still held at the national level. That rather inconveniences the operations of county governments. If you look at the percentages, even from the budget, 91 per cent of the overall funding still remains at the national Government. Although some of them are funded internationally by international organisations, once the funding is done, the national Government purports to work with the county government on a project and majorly holds the monies at respective Ministries. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, for that purpose, it is important that we encourage the Government to fully devolve agriculture and health. If you just give a county government nine per cent, which is very little funding, how do you expect them to build new hospitals and keep them operating by equipping them with medication? These are devolved functions. If you keep most of the functions of agriculture at the national level and yet agriculture is a very important component of our economy, how then will the county government manage and control agriculture fully? Things such as fertiliser, which this House is in seize of, should be procured by the counties according to their needs. There are some counties, which do not need fertilisers at all while others do. I believe all these should go through the governors, instead of having fertiliser being procured even without implementing the Fertilizer Act. The Fertilizer Act should be implemented, so that you do not give the National Cereals and Produce Board (NCPB), which deal with cereals, the work to distribute fertilisers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Senator for Nandi County, Sen. Cherarkey, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support the County Allocation of Revenue Bill. In support of devolution, last year, counties got Kshs385 billion. I am happy that after mediation, we now have Kshs401 billion. What we need to do is ensure the National Assembly gets into the latest audited accounts because the total national budget is Kshs4 trillion. So, it does not look good that out of Kshs4 trillion, we are allocating counties Kshs401 billion. Counties should at least be getting around Kshs500 billion to match the functions. Mr. Speaker, Sir, going into the future, let us in one way or another, ensure we also protect against claw back issues such as fertiliser and the health sector. I have even seen an amendment that the feeder roads in counties should be taken over by Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KeRRA) through the constituencies. As a country, we have an obligation to protect devolution. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am happy that Nandi County, for example, got Kshs7.3 billion in the last financial year. In this financial year, through equitable shareable revenue, they are getting Kshs7.6 billion. In the loans and grants, Nandi County is getting Kshs420 million out of Kshs485 million of Kshs42 billion. I think this is significant for us. If you add the equitable share, the additional resources and the conditional grants, it comes to a total of over Kshs8 billion that will go to the County of Nandi. We want to see provision of roads, bursary, water and many other things. Finally, I urge the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) to be on the lookout. We work around the clock to ensure resources are devolved. Under Article 219, when we have appropriated funds, they must go to entities directly. The biggest soft underbelly and lethargy is continuous plundering and corruption in our devolved units. I challenge the EACC to be keen and ensure that anybody found misappropriating funds meant for counties is arrested and prosecuted, so that we can protect devolution now and for posterity. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, with those very many remarks, I support this Bill. We must process it as quickly as possible to ensure we have enough resources. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Kavindu, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Bill and request that the Government to devolve more funds for the counties. As I echo the words of Sen. Maanzo, agriculture and health are devolved, however, we are facing many challenges in the counties especially with the hospitals because we are short of funds. The counties are paying the doctors, buying medication, building new hospitals here and there and many other things. The funds are not enough. I request the national Government to disburse more funds for health and agriculture to the counties, so that the counties can operate without struggling. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is very important that counties get more funds for agriculture because many farmers are farming without enough fertilizers and seedlings. If they get more funds, county governments will be able to buy all those things and supply them to the farmers. I thank you and support this Bill."
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"content": " Sen. Wambua, proceed."
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"content": "I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also add my voice in support of the County Allocation of Revenue Bill, 2024 for the Financial Year 2024/2025; a fairly straightforward Bill, if you ask me. There are only two things I will mention about this Bill. For now, and into the future, let us kill this misconception that the national Government has got any money to allocate to any county. That is not the case. It is the work of both Houses of Parliament; the National Assembly and the Senate, to share money between the national Government and the county governments. So, expecting that the national Government is going allocate or devolve more funds to the county governments, is expecting something that will never happen. Secondly, I take cognizance of the fact that this year there has been quite some growth in terms of the amount of money allocated to counties. It is about Kshs400 billion. Kitui County is among the top 10 counties that are receiving quite some share of the equitable share from the Senate. As the National Assembly appropriates for the national Government, the Senate is appropriating for counties. I reiterate what I have always said that it is okay we have come from recess today to appropriate money to our counties. It should be okay when we go to those counties next week or the week after to find out how the money we sent to the counties is being utilised. There should be no problem between Senators and Governors. With those remarks, I support."
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