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"content": "(Sen. M. Kajwang’ on 30.4.2024)"
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"content": "(Resumption of debate interrupted on 7.8.2024 - Afternoon Sitting)"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee will reply on my behalf."
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"content": "(Sen. Veronica Maina); Sen. Cherarkey, you are standing as a rear guard for that Committee. You may proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I have been preparing to reply under the directions of my able Chair. In the spirit of broad-based engagement, we are working closely now that our party leaders are also working closely. I beg to reply by saying a few things. I congratulate my Chairman for ably moving the Motion and giving us direction. It is good the Senate Majority Leader is here. He had requested the leadership of both the Minority and Majority to fast-track the consideration of financial statements for both county assemblies and county executives in order to be up-to-date. Sometimes it is embarrassing to audit a governor who is no longer in office. We call it being morticians. We must be current and up-to-date. In that spirit, counties must function. I am happy that many Senators have expressed reservations. I request the House to adopt this report. Madam Temporary Speaker, with your indulgence, before I proceed, I congratulate my school, Cheptil High School, in Mosop Sub-County for retaining the volleyball title by beating Namwela Secondary School. We are proud of them. In the future, we must ensure our schools are well-resourced in terms of sports to ensure that young people talent is developend. I saw Kasmuel Mcoure a few minutes ago doing a 3,000-meter steeplechase outside the Nation Centre. If he had been sent to Olympics in Paris, we would be having a gold medal from him because of the way he was sprinting at the Nation Centre a few minutes ago. Our accolades go to him for that performance. I direct the Athletics Kenya to do a pre-trial engagement with Kasmuel Mcoure. With that sprint, we will not be beaten by Ethiopians anytime soon. That was on a light touch. There are many things that our Chairman has guided us in the Committee. Nowadays, the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya (ICPAK) is taking action against accountants who prepare not-so-good report from the opinion of the Office of the Auditor-General. There is punishment and removal of accountants from ICPAK for professional misconduct in preparation of financial statements that get adverse opinion. We have made that direction. I assure the House that under the guidance of the Chair of the Committee, ICPAK has been directed to take action. Two, the issue of late submission of documents is rampant across all county assemblies. I encourage county assemblies and county executives not to violate Section 65 of the Public Audit Act. They should ensure they give timely documentation for the Office of the Auditor General to do the audit in time. Concerning the construction of county assembly chambers, we know county assemblies work is more of recurrent expenditure. I encourage many county assemblies that are yet to complete the chamber, including Nandi County Assembly, to do so. We saw one in Nyamira, where part of it has collapsed. We have one in Isiolo County Assembly that has stalled. Concerning Speakers residences, this House has put a ceiling on it. A county speaker's residence should be Kshs35 million; and the deputy governor’s residence should be Kshs35 million, and the governor’s residence should be Kshs45 million. We have agreed that the expenses for building county headquarters should be below Kshs500 million."
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"content": "Another issue we noticed is imprest management. I call upon the Ethics and Anti- Corruption Commission (EACC)--- We have seen the abuse of imprest. We have travelled and whenever we arrive back to the country, we surrender our passport documents and the necessary documentation to ensure we surrender our imprest for payment. This issue continues to be a challenge in county assemblies. I call the county clerks and county assembly’s speakers and County Assembly Public Service Boards (CAPSB), to ensure they put in place necessary mechanism. We have made many recommendations to the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) and the Director of Criminal Investigations (DCI). Under the Public Finance Management Act, when there is late surrender of imprest, it must come with interest. We have noticed that most clerks receiving surrendered imprest from Members of County Assembly (MCAs) and other members of the secretariat within county assemblies, do not take interest. I warn the county clerks from the Floor of the House that it is violation of the law. You need to recover the imprest plus the interest as per the law to ensure that it is not repeated. We have noticed that all these county assemblies have violated that. Madam Temporary Speaker, another challenge is the County Assemblies Forum (CAF), Society of Clerks-at-the Table (SOCCAT) and the Council of Governors (CoG). These bodies are not anchored in law, but you will find county assemblies allocating money to SOCCAT and CAF. You are aware that nowadays there is what we call Association of Members of County Assembly (AMCA), which is not anchored in law. I encourage the county assembly speakers, clerks and the MCAs to bring a legislative intervention, so that they do not need to put money in some of these entities that are not anchored by law. I am happy that the Senate and the County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) has taken a position that any money that is paid to CoG, CAF, SOCCAT and AMCA is illegal, irregular and unlawful, and should be treated as such. Madam Temporary Speaker, under the guidance of our Chairman, Sen. M Kajwang’, we have even directed a charge of the accounting officers who continue to make this illegal expenditure. The Senate Majority Leader has an opportunity of engaging CAF, CoG and SOCCAT. I hope with that he will ensure that there is legislative intervention, so that we do not spend this money. Sometimes the CoG gets Kshs5 million from every county per year within the financial, which is an illegal outfit."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, would you wish to be informed by the Senate Majority Leader?"
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"content": "Yes, the Senate Majority Leader has a lot of information."
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"content": " Madam Temporary Speaker, I would wish to point Sen. Cherarkey to today's Order Paper on Order No.23. The Intergovernmental Relations (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bill No.12 of 2024) addresses your concern. It does exactly what you are proposing. I thank you."
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"content": " Okay, proceed."
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