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"content": " Sen. Eddie Oketch, what is your point of information? Would you like to be informed by the very well-schooled Sen. Eddie?"
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"content": "Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. I saw the light going off and my time was lost in between. If I can be added my time, kindly."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I wanted to inform my very good friend, Sen. Gloria, that I hear where she comes from, but I do empathize with the fact that we are not discussing whether to reduce the money spent by county assemblies or the executive or not. The money we are talking about is Equalisation Fund, which is a fund that was put in place to intervene for communities that were marginalised under Sessional Paper No.10 of 1965. The current problem we are facing, as a Senate, is that since the Financial Year 2021, the National Treasury has committed to give money to counties to this Fund and they have failed consistently towards that. That money has actually been ringfenced. It is not even county government money. It is national Government’s money that is executed by the national Government and that needs to go to counties. It has nothing to do with the spending of counties or the County Assembly. It is a simple fact that the National Treasury has not honored its commitment. This money could as well be wasted in the National Treasury. It is important to distinguish that, hon. Senator."
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"content": " Sen. Orwoba, you may proceed and finalize in your minutes."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I have allowed Sen. Oketch Gicheru to speak because we are both in the youth bracket. Nonetheless, I have that information. Whether it is the Equalisation Fund, the Appropriation Fund that we send to counties or the Fund that we use for whatever purposes, the rallying call by Gen Zs and by us in this House was that we cut back on expenses. On that point of the Equalisation Fund, I challenge Sen. Oketch Gicheru, to actually go and ask the Senator for Turkana, Sen. Lomenen, on how they have been using that Equalisation Fund over the years. They get a very huge amount and they cannot showcase what they are doing with that Equalisation Fund."
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, with those few remarks, I must say that we must speak the truth. The truth of the matter is that we are cutting back, whether on Equalisation Fund, Appropriation Fund and the Executive Fund on State House or on whichever Fund. We are in the times where we must cut back. I support the proposal by the National Assembly."
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"content": " Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, what is your point of order?"
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.105, to request that the distinguished Sen. Gloria to withdraw her remarks and apologise to the successive governors of Turkana. They have never misused the Equalisation Fund. They do not have that money and that money has never been disbursed. Consequently, her failure to appreciate the clarity of this Motion, should not allow her to cast aspersions against governors who have no opportunity to defend themselves The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only.A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services,Senate."
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"content": "here. The governors I am talking about is His Excellency the former Governor, hon. Nanok, who works at State House as a Comptroller and His Excellency is the current Governor. She is out of order. She must withdraw and apologize."
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