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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " Sen. Gloria, there is a point of order raised by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale with regard to what constitutes a fund that is under discussion and whether you do appreciate what that fund is intended for and who utilizes it; whether it is the national Government or county governments."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg that the HANSARD pulls out a report where I have actually referenced the particular governor that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is stating. At which point then, I will apologize and withdraw because I have been consistent in what I say in whatever fund we are discussing. I am very much aware of the Equalisation Fund. Sometimes when you speak the truth, those who do not expect the truth get very uncomfortable. That is why you can see Sen. M. Kajwang’ and Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale getting very agitated. We must cut back and it is not ring-fenced to State House. Cutting back means all funds including the Equalisation Fund, which the National Assembly has said it should be reduced to less than five per cent. If the HANSARD confirms that indeed the allegations that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is placing on me is correct that I said the former Governor, hon. Nanok, had misappropriated funds, I will withdraw and apologize."
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"content": " What is the point of information, Sen. M. Kajwang? Sen. Gloria, would you like to be informed?"
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"content": "Of course, Gloria."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, on being informed, I am well informed and I do not think I want to be informed further. Thank you."
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"content": "Okay."
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"content": " Sen. Gloria, I think we rest the matter there. However, your truth may not be the truth to Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. People have different sets of truth, but facts remain facts. Let us proceed on to Sen. Olekina."
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"content": "Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. I am very concerned that in this House, we are now comparing apples to bananas instead of apples to apples. It is really sad because what we are talking about is not money which is sent to county governments. This is money that has been utilized by the national Government. The Constitution under Article 204 sets the Equalisation Fund with a sunset clause. The Constitution determines how much money is going to be set aside to uplift the living standards of the people of this nation who live in different pockets of this country and who have been left behind by any other form of development. It saddens me when I see a colleague standing here and becomes a populist just because we have got a crisis in this country and completely misadvises and misguides the nation on what we are talking about. This fiscal indiscipline of the National Treasury must be stated very clearly. What we are talking about here, in simple English, is that Sen. Olekina here, completely rejects the unconstitutional actions of the National Assembly by attempting to The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only.A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services,Senate."
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"content": "rewrite the Constitution by proposing to reduce the amount of money which has been set by an independent body that is given powers using a particular base. Sometimes before we talk here, we need to be educated on exactly each and every role that we are discussing. If we are discussing the issue of the Division of Revenue Bill, which I heard my sister, Sen. Tobiko, talking about and saying that there is an amendment to it from the National Assembly that is to be brought here. Then this would be the first time in history that I have heard that the Division of Revenue Bill has been amended. This explains why until today the President has not signed the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (CARB) that we passed in this House. Section 5 of the Division of Revenue Bill is very clear. If there is a shortfall in any revenues, the national Government absorbs it. First of all, I hope that when we are talking about all these issues, the Committee which is going to be mediating on this should not go out there and shame us. We cannot relook at or entertain any amendment to the Division of Revenue Bill. Secondly, the National Treasury has not released money that has been set aside by the Constitution to uplift the standard of living of our people. Therefore, I disagree with my colleague, Sen. M. Kajwang’, that there are a few things that we may need to change. I believe that counties, especially such as Narok, have got pockets of marginalization. These counties are skewed by the leadership that comes in. They decide we are not going to support the people from Mosiro; we are not going to give them water or a hospital. I want to persuade my colleague, Sen. M. Kajwang’, that I am in pain today, because Narok County was supposed to get about Kshs850 million to help these pockets of marginalization. This was advised by the wisdom of the Commission on Revenue Allocation, who went around, looking at studies on the poverty indexes in this country. He said the people in Leshuta or Mosiro do not have water or hospitals. Therefore, instead of saying the entire Narok county is marginalized, let us be realistic and say that there are parts even in Kilifi that are not marginalized. Madam Temporary Speaker, I request that you give me three more minutes because these are things which we are discussing and are very important. It is important for us to demystify them."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " Just one minute, Sen. Olekina."
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