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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I hope that next time we have such Bills or Motions to discuss, we will be given the 15 minutes time that is in our Standing Orders instead of curtailing debate. People out there will not understand if we are told by our own colleagues that we should not agree to reduce money that goes to our counties, yet the Equalisation Fund is not going to the counties. We have to explain to the public. Since inception, the money that has been released on Equalisation Fund is not quantum physics. It is money that everybody knows. It is only Kshs13 billion, and county governors have not even seen a penny of it. These ministerial state agencies are the ones that implement those things. In fact, they have not even paid the people who did those works. If you go to Narok County and go to Kilgoris today, you will find hospitals that were built under the Equalisation Fund and the contractors have not been paid. When we The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only.A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services,Senate."
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"content": "come here, let us separate fact from fiction. The facts are, there is a lot of indiscipline in the National Treasury that we need to correct. We are now correcting them. Let them send any money that has been set aside for Equalisation Fund. Two, it is imperative that when we are trying to be musical, the first thing that the National Assembly should do is try to pull up their socks. I call it musical because of trying to correct all the misgivings and bad things in this country. This will enable them to base the revenue which is sent to counties to current financial statements which are audited and adopted by Parliament. If we look at the Financial Year 2020/2021, are we being honest with each other? Madam Temporary Speaker, I plead with the President to sign the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (CARB). We divided money between the national Government and the county governments. CARA divides money among our counties."
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"content": " Sen. M. Kajwang’and Sen. Orwoba, can you consult in low tones. Sen. Orwoba, you were complaining a few minutes ago that you could not be heard on the Floor of the House because of Senators making noise. Proceed, Sen. Olekina."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I hope you have stopped my time. Let me repeat that, Mr. President, please, since we are in this musical of trying to please everybody and correct all the misgivings, all the indiscipline in the National Government must be corrected. Tell your folks at the National Assembly to pull up their socks so that we can be able to audit current financial statements. This will enable money to be divided based on current financial statements audited. Three, please sign the CARB. There is no way we are going to sit here and amend the cash disbursement schedule to the counties. Seriously, why should we be sensational? That is the problem of having a Government with a policy of being reactional. We should be able to think---"
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"content": "(Sen. Olekina’s microphone went off)"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " Senator, your time is up. Thank you. There are no more Senators who would wish to contribute to this Motion. I call the Mover of this Motion, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, to reply on behalf of the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Finance and Budget."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I start by giving my thanks to all the colleagues in the House who have contributed to the Motion on the Equalisation Fund. I am very grateful. We have keenly listened to all the concerns that have been shared before this House. Allow me to say a few words to emphasise the issue of the Equalisation Fund. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only.A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services,Senate."
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"content": "It is good for Members to appreciate and note that the issue of the Equalisation Fund is a constitutional issue. After the enactment of the Constitution of Kenya 2010 is when the Equalisation Fund was put in place under Article 204. Further to that, the exact duration is 20 years. I heard one of my colleagues talk about 10 years. The duration that the Fund had been given is 20 years, and is supposed to lapse in the year 2030. The Equalisation Fund was set aside to look at the four issues of concern; that is water, roads, health facilities and electricity. It is more specific to the regions that have low developmental levels as far as these four areas are concerned. There are 34 counties that have been identified through the Commission on Revenue Allocation (CRA) using the eight parameters of the formula. They did not just come up with figures and decided blindly, but followed a process. The process was constitutional and has all the parameters that are needed. These funds were to go down to the village level through the constituencies. You will realise that each county has constituencies that were to benefit from the Equalisation Fund. Is the Equalisation Fund new? What is the issue before the House from the Committee on Finance and Budget? As I started moving, I said, we sat down with the former Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planing. Our question to the Cabinet Secretary was very simple. We asked when they were going to disburse these funds. He gave us a timeline. The issue before us is when these funds were to be disbursed to the beneficiary counties. It is not about additional allocation of the funds. The animal that is before the House as far as the Equalisation Fund is concerned, is the disbursement of those funds. Madam Temporary Speaker, one issue is the point that the National Assembly has reduced those funds. However, the critical issue is the disbursement of those funds. That is where the problem is. Apart from the amounts being a challenge, the issue is when those funds will benefit the people of those counties. Article 204 says that there is established an Equalisation Fund into which shall be paid 1.5 per cent of all the revenue---"
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"content": "On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker."
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