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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I oppose the Motion because having been around for some time, I have the experience of both the committee and the plenary way. I will give a good example of a committee that brought down a Senator in this country when we chose this route. It was during the impeachment of the former Nyeri Governor. I sat in that Committee and we went well up to the very end. At the last minute, we were the only two Members who were left supporting the impeachment. When it came to the House, the Senator was devastated and he ended up losing his seat because the impeachment touched him. Secondly, this Meru matter is very serious. It is not a matter of people choosing the plenary or the committee way. This is a matter that affects the Meru people seriously. We must look at it critically. I believe that if we go the plenary way, Meru County will see what is happening with the impeachment of their governor, but if we go the committee way, they may sometimes not watch to see what is transpiring at the committee hearing. Having been around for some time and participated in both plenary and committee sittings, I fully support the plenary way."
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"content": " Sen. Nyutu. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I join my colleagues and I feel we should go the plenary way. This is because, we have twice prosecuted impeachment matters here in the plenary. The last time Governor Kawira was brought here, we went the plenary way and we made a decision to retain her as the Governor of Meru County. Later on, there were impeachment proceedings of the Deputy Governor of Kisii and the Plenary impeached him. I am driving to the point that this House has proved itself that it can impeach and it can also stop an impeachment, depending on the evidence that is tabled before this House. The competency or otherwise of the plenary has already been proven. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the other reason that makes me support the plenary proceedings on this matter is that it accords all Senators an opportunity to train on how to carry out impeachment proceedings. Some of the evidence that will be tabled here by the County Assembly of Meru might have a bearing on what happens in our counties. This will be an eye-opener to all Senators, so that they can see what transpires in counties, good or otherwise. I therefore strongly feel that we should give every Senator an opportunity to participate in these proceedings, so that they can get training and also see whether there is a bearing on what will be brought here and what happens in our counties. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand here to support the idea of having plenary and oppose the Motion on the Floor."
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"content": " Senator for Vihiga and Deputy Party Leader."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for recognizing my new role as the Deputy Party Leader (DPL) of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM). I will speak as the Senator for Vihiga and not the DPL of ODM. The Motion is for us to either agree to a plenary or a committee. Whereas I fully agree with the Members who are saying we go the plenary way, there is a small problem. This is because, the outcome of a committee is usually a report. I have seen some reports from these committees and they go beyond the question of impeaching or not. The situation in Meru is a very complex one. It requires serious thinking because we do not want to make a decision and the next time, we are told to deal with the same issue of Meru. My view is that there should be instances where we need to look at the provisions of Article 192 of the Constitution; whether to suspend this County and we send everyone home or not. Mr. Speaker, Sir, that can be dealt effectively in a committee report that can be sent to the President for action as per the provisions of Article 192."
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"content": "Our Standing Orders are limited because they do not allow us to produce a report, which can be sent to the President for action. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I, therefore, urge Members because I know the plenary way is the most popular one, but the most effective one in these circumstances, is the committee way. I would like to ask Members to agree we support the committee way because it is going to help us deal with this problem of Meru, once and for all. I support."
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"content": " Sen. (Dr.) Murango."
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