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"content": " Sen. Wamatinga, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also rise to oppose the Motion. I know that I appear on the list. However, in the new spirit of a broad-based engagement and inclusive approach, it will be important to capture everyone’s thinking and the mood in the country. The broad-based approach will bring everyone on board to enrich our debate and engagement with the county assembly and the governor based on the diversity of the Members in this House. The committee way is also effective. Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is a narrative based on the new mode that larger and bigger is better. That is why we have decided to also include Members of the other side in the Government, so that we can not only be seen to be accommodative, but also capture the spirit of the Gen Z who are tribe less and leaderless, and most importantly, where everybody is included. I thank you."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Eddy Oketch."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. What we are discussing here is provided for under Standing Order No.80 of The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "this House on procedure for removal of a Governor. When you read it, it clarifies two scenarios for which an outcome of a special committee would be presented. Standing Order No.80(4) states that— “If the special committee reports that the particulars of any allegation against the governor— (a) have not been substantiated, no further action shall be taken under this section in respect of that allegation; or (b) have been substantiated, the Senate shall, after according the governor an opportunity to be heard, vote on the charges.” If a governor is impeached, the House should get a chance to further interrogate each of those charges for which the impeachment was executed. I want to call this House to either think about ourselves as Senators or the people of Meru. I am not saying this because I have been suggested to be in the committee. I am talking about this because if we are not careful, the people of Meru will go through five years without getting services, which were intended. As Senators, we must call ourselves to order and ask ourselves whether we want to be involved or engaged in this process. An engagement process is just like a plate of bacon and eggs. If you look at a plate of bacon and eggs, the chicken is involved, but the pig is committed. For us to engage with the people of Meru, I believe we must go the committee way. If we go the committee way, we can interrogate these matters, not only to make a decision on whether the Governor is impeached or otherwise, but to also have a lasting solution for the people of Meru. That will come in a more engaged pattern that allows this House to be informed on broad-based issues in Meru and not broad-based issues within this House. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support that we go the committee way, so that we can interrogate and come back to this House. I thank you."
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"content": " Next is Sen. Methu."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, this House has gone both ways on matters of impeachment. We have seen this House deal with impeachments the committee and plenary way. I have been an ardent supporter of the committee way because I feel they can interrogate issues more closely, just as Sen. Sifuna said. However, this matter is too weighty to be left on the shoulders of 11 Members. If anything, Members who have been proposed to be in that committee are not even willing. They have said that they do not support the committee way. That includes the proposed Chairman, Sen. Wakili Sigei. More substantively, Mr. Speaker, Sir, there are two matters that inform my decision not to support the committee way. Firstly, as you have correctly put, this is not the first but the third time we are dealing with the impeachment of the Governor of Meru. We, as Senators, have voted on this particular matter in the past. How certain are we that either the people or the Governor of Meru will get justice if we just have 11 of us, including some who have voted for and against this matter? I feel that justice will be served to the people and the Governor of Meru if we look at this matter in plenary. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Secondly, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to get your direction on this particular matter. Article 123(4)(a) states that- “Except as provided otherwise in this Constitution, in any matter in the Senate affecting counties— (a) each county delegation shall have one vote to be cast on behalf of the county by the head of the county delegation or, in the absence of the head of the delegation, by another member of the delegation designated by the head of the Delegation.” Looking at the membership of this particular committee, I have tremendous respect for all Members who have been proposed. One of them is a Member of my committee and I know her ability and capability. I am inclined to think that the power given to the head of the delegation can only be used by a member of that delegation when the head of the delegation is not there. If these five Nominated Members out of the 11 negate this particular Motion, how will I, as the head of delegation, get an opportunity to vote on this matter? It is on that basis, Mr. Speaker, Sir, that I feel that you need to give--- I have respect for our Nominated colleagues who are able and willing. However, when the matter comes before this House for voting, they will contribute. Sen. Mumma has said they would like to contribute to this Motion. However, in terms of making a decision, it will involve 47 delegations. I will only vote and a Member of my delegation---"
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"content": " Your time is up. Next is Sen. Githuku."
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