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"content": "Hold on, Hon. Naisula. Professor, how much time do you require to finish reading the Statement?"
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, just five minutes."
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"content": "Okay, five minutes. Hon. Members, let her finish and then you can respond."
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"content": " Hon. Speaker, Hon. Mutunga has aptly put it that the data generated for these percentages emanates from the students themselves. Additionally, the Ministry has a lot of data from students already. When they join secondary schools, they produce their birth certificates and details of their parents. There is also information from the National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF) card, which was still under use until recently. There is a lot of data which the Ministry can access in order to determine the exact amount a student can get. However, in situations where a student’s data is not ably captured, they can always appeal. They also have appellate processes in case you do not get the money. I want to give an example of a student who is categorised as Band One, a very vulnerable student who requires Government support at all costs. I will give a case of a student who has been selected to take a Bachelor in Medicine and another one who is going to take a Bachelor of Arts. Initially, there was a problem whereby the Ministry was giving letters to students indicating a lot of money. For the example, a student selected to take a course in medicine got a fee structure of Ksh612,000. It was not necessary for the Ministry to give unnecessary information. Most of the Members here who went to university in the 80s and 70s, would recall that the letters they used to get from the university only indicated the amount the household is supposed to pay. They were not given information on what the Government was to pay. I think the Ministry erred on that. The fee structure should only indicate the household amount the student is supposed to be pay to the university. The programme for a student taking a course in medicine costs Ksh612,000. In this case, the student gets 70 per cent scholarship and 25 per cent tuition and 5 per cent household. This 5 per cent which translates to Ksh30,600 is the money that the student receives from the Government for upkeep. For a student who is going to take a Bachelor of Arts course, the fee structure is supposed to indicate Ksh122,400. This student is supposed to get a scholarship of Ksh85,680, Ksh30,600 loan and an upkeep of Ksh60,000. Therefore, he is only to pay Ksh6,100. Every student will get a fee structure depending on their course, and the funding will depend on the information they give in the form. It is, therefore, not a uniform amount. Every student will get support depending on the data they have given. Regarding Hon. Naisula’s question on the issue of the fee structure on the admission letters, as a Committee, we had communicated that to the Ministry and instructed them to withdraw the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "letters they had prior given out, and issue new letters indicating the fee structure which the student is supposed to be paying and not the entire amount that the Government is supposed to support the students with. That is the end of my presentation."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I do not think Kenyans are in a position to understand what exactly is going on with the higher education model. The response is a good one, only if it works or is implemented correctly. This happens with anything new that is being introduced. We, however, have to be careful. I want to ask my questions as such. We cannot joke with the education of our children. Many children will not report to Technical Vocational, Education and Training (TVETs), universities and colleges if this information is not clear. It is clear that this is a generated information. You key in and you get information. My question is: Has the Ministry tested that and what is the result?"
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"content": "Has it been piloted?"
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"content": " In so many words. I was trying to get the word. Has this been piloted and if yes, what has been the response so far? Secondly, how will a child, for example, in the remote areas of Nyiro in Samburu, ensure that they apply and get the information they need using the online process? What are the terms of the loan? Is it like the normal HELB, or are there new terms with it? The Government is giving a lot of money, including the upkeep. Is it a loan and what are its terms? Are children in private universities benefiting? Not the Kenya Universities and Colleges Central Placement Service selected children, but if I want to take my child to a private university, do I benefit from this? Could you first answer those questions? Lastly, we do not want confusion. The deadline, as Hon. Baya has said, is on 15th August. Is it being closed? Have all our children sufficiently applied to ensure that they get the information? Regarding those children who do not have national identity cards, you have said that provisional application processes allow them to apply using alternative identification such as the Kenya Certificate of Secondary Education (KCSE) index number. This is very important information because there are students who do not have IDs and were wondering how they were going to apply for this."
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