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"content": "The other proposal is that instead of talking about this as an additional bill, we can have it as an addendum of the artificial revenue placement of Ksh380 billion below it, which is clear cut. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "This way, one does not struggle from one Bill to the other looking for how much it has been added again. That may help us a great deal moving forward."
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " Hon. Joseph Oyula, Member of Parliament for Butula. I am intentionally choosing people to speak to this Bill."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity to also add my voice to this Bill. I want to start by congratulating the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and his team for carefully bringing some of these Bills to the House. It is important that they are carefully looked at and approved by this House. Once a project is started, it must be properly financed and completed. The financing of the county parks is important. For projects that began in the last financial year but remain incomplete, it is important that the money is released to ensure their completion so that wananchi around those parks benefit. Additionally, introduction of industrial projects that will promote employment in the areas is important. We have one park in Busia and everybody has been asking when they are going to start benefitting from it. That was a very good move from the Budget and Appropriations Committee, to ensure that all the parks are funded to finality. Hon. Temporary Speaker, on the issue of health, health workers have been suffering for a very long time and this move is dearly going to motivate them. They have a lot of work. They move from one household to the other. However, I have one fear; Hon. Chairman indicated that they are going to be paid Ksh5,000 each. The County Government will contribute Ksh2, 500 and the national Government will contribute a similar amount. I think the Government is committing an offence because the minimum wage is not Ksh5,000. You cannot pay others the minimum wage and bring in those who are doing a very important job at only Ksh5, 000. I would like to ask the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and his team, to look at that area in the future. Let us start, but it should not be Ksh5,000. The distance that these men and women cover from one village to the other is long. They also spend a lot of their time with the families that need their help. Therefore, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I think this Bill is quite in order. The grants or loans that we receive from the donors are public funds and they must be properly accounted for and utilised for the purpose for which the money has been borrowed. Let us not redirect the money to other uses. Let it go to the places where it was intended. Particularly, the county governments must make sure that they use these funds carefully because the funds are going to them for development purposes. As they use the initial allocation of Ksh380 billion for other uses, this is specific to projects. Therefore, a system should be established where the monies given to the county governments from the donors goes strictly to the intended purpose so that we do not lose the loans or grants in the future due to poor funds management. Hon. Temporary Speaker, with those few remarks, I support this Bill and ask the House to approve it as soon as possible. Thank you."
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"content": " The Member of Parliament for Baringo County, Hon. Florence Jematiah. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am sorry about that. I think the microphone went off. Firstly, I want to declare that I am a member of this Committee. We are living in very unprecedented times as a country. This Bill is coming at a time when we want to look at every coin and see its value. Even as we discuss this allocation, I also want to speak to the issues that are stipulated in this Bill. I want to talk about the Community Health Promoters (CHPs). This is one of the noble ideas that the Government of Kenya Kwanza is implementing. It is through CHPs that the community is going to be taken care of specifically on matters health. Initially, people would feel very sick to the extent that when they arrived at the hospital they just got admitted. There was no diagnosis and interaction with community health workers before they arrived at the hospital. The CHPs play a very crucial role. It is one of the very noble agenda that this Government has put across for Kenyans. As we do this across all the 47 counties, you can see the allocation of the money that is there. The stipend of Ksh5, 000 is very minimal. I also want to agree with Members who spoke before me that this money should be increased in future. I believe it is just the beginning. The number of the CHPs in counties vary based on the size of the population. The ratio is between the population of the county vis-à-vis the number of the CHPs, which is a very good idea. However, money is very scarce. Considering the challenges that we have gone through, I also realised that there are 18 counties that have been earmarked for the establishment of the industrial parks. If you ask me, it is an idea that has been overtaken by events. You might wonder what 50 million Kenyans do every day. After churning out many graduates from school with all the skills, are these the areas that we should be exposing them? Specifically, we need to think whether skill-based students or our young people who have just finished schools or people who have interacted with Technical and Vocational Educational Training (TVET) are appropriately placed. These industrial parks will give us the opportunity to employ most of our youth and most of the skilled members of the society. For instance, in this paper, we do not have Baringo where I come from, yet we had ear-marked areas for livestock production in Baringo, specifically on hide and skin, meat production and creating abattoirs. We also have areas of horticulture. This idea should be generated right from the bottom and the people own the process so that we implement these industrial parks. Otherwise, if we do not take care of this, it might end up being one of the biggest challenges in terms of white elephants. We are building these industrial parks…I saw one Principal Secretary for Investments, Trade and Industry, Mr Abubakar, in Busia last week. He was commissioning a very nice industrial park in Busia County with His Excellency Mr Otuoma. I want to believe that the people of Busia have been given the opportunity to interact with the aggregation of this park. Otherwise, if we continue just launching and identifying these parks without taking in and understand that this should be a project that is supposed to be culminating right from the grassroots, then we might end up not achieving what we intended. Another thing is that in both areas we are assessing whether the county government can deliver this or it be domiciled fully in the national level. This is because, we want the monies allocated to these projects to have value. For the first time, we want to have functional factories in Kenya. To have projects that are completed so that we do not just start these projects and these industrial parks then leave them hanging all over the place, while Kenyans have already lost money. On the issues of the Community Health Promoters. I think we made a very big mistake when we created devolved governments through the Constitution of 2010; more so by allowing The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "governors to be elected. There should be a provision in this country that the governor seat should not be an elective seat but probably be by appointment so that we have governors who have experience to lead these counties. Today, we have many challenges because most of the governors elected, specifically in the first and second county governments, have no capacity to manage resources of the counties. This is to the extent that even the amenities of the counties that were there before are no longer functioning. Another problem we made with the Constitution is to devolve sectors like health. Devolving health sector in this country has caused problems."
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"speaker_name": "Emuhaya, ANC",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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