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"speaker_name": "Kibwezi East, WDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Jessica Mbalu",
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"content": "The Office of the Auditor-General is an important institution in our country. Our constituencies have been audited before. The public should know that Members of Parliament are not involved in the running of NG-CDF. We only oversee the Fund and conduct public participation. As Hon. (Dr) Oundo said, most of the time these reports are poorly done and even a layman would have done a better job. The wording and expertise are wanting. This firm is going to audit the Office of the Auditor-General for the proper systems to be put in place for them to give the right opinion. For instance, when the Auditor-General comes to audit a classroom being constructed through the NG-CDF board that is 80 per cent complete, they say that it is incomplete. The Auditor-General needs to be audited too and be taught how to do things. This firm seems to be experienced in matters audits."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Jessica Mbalu",
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"content": "The tender committee appointed by the Accounting Officer on 13th June, pursuant to Section 78 of the Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Act did its work and the Committee was satisfied. I do not want to speak a lot because the report is self-talking. The Committee looked at what the auditor of the Auditor-General will bring to this country. It is about prudent use of our money. I, therefore, support the adoption of the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on the procurement of the external audit services for the Office of the Auditor- General for the financial years 2022/2023, 2023/2024, 2024/2025 which was procedurally laid on this House. We appoint M/s PKF Kenya LLP."
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"speaker_name": "Kibwezi East, WDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Jessica Mbalu",
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"content": "I thank you."
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"content": " Very well. Next is Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi",
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"content": " Thank you for the opportunity. This Report by Hon. Tindi Mwale is extensive and elaborate. It has also been properly seconded. I am a bit disappointed that this is coming now. There is a lot of eagerness to have jobs done and I expected to see more than two applicants. We have too many auditors in the country. Out of the two applicants, only one was selected and there is much more than meets the eye. For us, value for money is key, and we need to know how the money the Auditor- General is overseeing is being used. We have witnessed misuse of funds that are allocated to SAGAs. Why is it that only two companies applied for this tender? There are many questions regarding the qualifications of the selected firm. Is it worth spending money on this external auditor? As it is, the Office of the Auditor-General should have an internal audit department. I do not know whether this office exists yet. The Committee should look into this so that if there is none, we can create one. I expected more than 10 companies to participate in this tender. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi",
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"content": "My suggestion is that this is re-advertised so that we can have more companies participating. This is a shortcut and nothing will come out of it. I take this opportunity to ask the Public Accounts Committee to re-advertise this exercise so that we get value for our money. There are too many loopholes in all the ministries and the Office of the Auditor-General is key in identifying them. As it is, it does not meet the requirements and I have my reservations about this. The Seconder of this Report asked that we open it to international firms so that we can get auditors from places like Europe. We should look at this more critically and not just pass it for the sake of it. I support the Report."
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"content": " Eng. Paul Nzengu."
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"content": "Mwingi North, WDM): Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to make my contribution on the Report that has been brought to the House by the Public Accounts Committee. At the outset, I congratulate the team for work well done. I also want to congratulate Hon. Tindi Mwale for the nice presentation and the Committee for the work well done, bearing in mind his predecessor, or Hon. Chairman, my friend Hon. John Mbadi, was elevated to the position of the Cabinet Secretary. The Committee did good work to appoint an auditor to audit the Auditor-General. As many Members have said, over a period of time, this team has operated like people who are above the law. They are the people who point out the mistakes others have done, yet no one tells them the mistakes they have done. For example, when they go to the constituencies, they punch holes on what has been done in constituencies and try to incriminate Members of Parliament as though Members of Parliament are part of the committee. We are not members of the committee that implements projects in the constituencies. There is an established office of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund Committee (NG-CDFC), but because of malice or whatever reason, we end up hearing that the Member of Parliament of a certain constituency has misappropriated funds. How can we misappropriate funds that we do not even have a say over and are not an Authority to Incur Expenditure (AIE) holder, a signatory of any account or even a member of the committee? I appreciate the work that has been carried out by that Committee on the appointment of M/s PKF Kenya LLP. Like other Members have said, when we only have two competitors, we do not know whether the threshold for professional requirements for appointment of such a level of professionals has been met. However, when a tender is floated and only a few people apply, then it is the right of those who have applied, whether one or two, to be awarded it as long as they meet the minimum criteria. I appreciate that M/s PKF Kenya LLP has been appointed to carry out that duty or assignment and it is not an easy one because you are dealing with professionals and people that have been in that business for a long time and have perfected the skills. Sometimes when people are being audited and you try to unearth, they even try to hide certain information. I know it is not going to be a walk in the park, but I hope and believe that the Committee found them to be beyond reproach and capable of doing the activity or assignment that has been assigned to them. With those few remarks, I support. Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi."
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"speaker_name": "Buuri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri",
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"content": " I forgot I was given a different card and did not change my password, so I was trying to access the microphone. I rise to identify myself with the Report that has been tabled whose subject matter is the appointment of M/s PKF Kenya LLP as the external auditors for the Office of the Auditor-General of the Republic of Kenya. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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