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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Hon. Brighton, do you want the Committee to move on its own Motion and interrogate the matter deeper or would you prefer that Hon. Sarah Korere raises a question? It clearly appears that there are some issues beyond the statement."
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"speaker_name": "Konoin, UDA",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, Hon. Sarah Korere has raised issues other than those that are contained in the statement request. There are very serious issues which needs more investigations. Therefore, we will take it back to the Committee to conduct further investigations on the matter of the land that she says has been leased out irregularly. Maybe, she can also pursue the other route of raising a substantive question for the Cabinet Secretary to answer."
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"content": " It is not necessary. Take it up on your own Motion. You know the inadequacies of statements but, ultimately, we are resolving issues of concern to Kenyans, whom we represent here. So, take up the matter. Invite Hon. Sarah Korere, invite the sectoral heads and the Cabinet Secretary involved. You will be undertaking an inquiry on every case. Conduct your investigation expeditiously and ensure that you bring a report to the House. The report will be debated for enrichment and coming up with a proper policy direction. Hon. Caroli Omondi"
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"content": "we want to go into other business."
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"content": " I will be very brief, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. As a matter of fact, and law, the lease of Government land, whether owned by a parastatal or directly by the national Government, is actually privatisation. So, when the Committee investigates this matter, it should tell us how the leasing of that land fits within the Privatisation Act and within the privatisation process. That is because when ADC leases part of its land to a third party – in this case a private party – they have actually undertaken privatisation. I am sure that when the land in Laikipia was leased out, there was no privatisation plan that was brought to this House. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "There was no scheme that was brought to this House. There was no approval of this House. So, all those leases are illegal. Anybody who is holding ADC land under lease is actually somebody who has committed a crime. That is the position in law. So, when you do the investigations, be very clear. Tell us when the privatisation plan was approved by this House for the leasing of ADC land. The same applies even to the land at the University of Nairobi and Moi University. We need to be very clear instead of abetting all those crimes against our university."
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"content": " Hon. Brighton Yegon, do you now see the reason as to why I said you should come up with a report to be debated in this House? If knowledgeable persons like Hon. Caroli Omondi do not come to the Committee, they can speak to whatever report you will bring to the House. We are ultimately operating under Article 95(2) of the Constitution to resolve issues of concern to the people."
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"speaker_name": "Sotik, UDA",
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"content": " On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " What is out of order, Member for Sotik?"
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