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"speaker_name": "Sotik, UDA",
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"content": " Mhe. Spika wa Muda, ningependa pia kuchangia mjadala huu kuhusu Ripoti ya Kamati siku ya leo. Ningependa kwanza kushukuru Kamati kwa kazi iliyofanya. Wamechukua muda mrefu kutafuta information na mambo yaliyotakikana katika hii Ripoti. Mimi ningependa kuunga mkono mjadala huu, na kuipongeza Kamati. Mhe. Spika wa Muda, ningependa tujue kwamba Kenya imebadilika. Katiba ni tofauti, na watu ni lazima wawajibike na wahakikishe kwamba mambo yalio kwenye Katiba yanatimizwa ipasavyo. Mhe. Spika wa Muda, naunga mkono."
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"content": " Hon. Johana Ng'eno, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works."
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"speaker_name": "Emurua Dikirr, UDA",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I can see my brother, Mhe. Wamboka, signalling me. I do not understand why but, maybe, it is because of time. I want to give some flesh to this Report. From the word go, I truly support this Report. It is a very important Report because it looks into several issues that are affecting the Public Service. It is not only the Public Service. I wish the Hon. Chair had looked at the Private Sector. This is because the rule of law in this country is not meant only to affect the public service. It affects even the private sector because when you look at employment in this country, the private sector employs almost 40 per cent of the employees. Therefore, Mhe. Chairman, in your next course of action, you should also look at how discrimination, the terms of employment, regional balancing, and all those things are done in the private and public sectors. This is because we are all under one Constitution, and we need to abide by it. We need to abide by the law. We need to re-look at how our people are being employed. So, I want to say that I support this Report because it looks into the details. We will still interrogate it. So, we need to come up with ways other than what the Constitution states and make sure that not only particular people in particular sectors are lined up for employment. This country needs everybody. Even if your tribe or community is small or not even recognised in the bigger positions, I think there should be a way to make it mandatory for every sector of employment - whether it is the Public Service Commission, county public service boards, or private sector - to look into exactly how they can involve everybody so that we do not have imbalances and injustices to some other communities, people, persons living with disabilities and also other areas. Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is my contribution. I wish we would look at it because this country has so many communities. Very small communities may not have representation in this House. They may also not have representation in senior positions like cabinet secretaries, principal secretaries, and chief executive officers (CEOs) of various parastatals. Those are The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "people who determine who to be employed and where. Communities that do not have representation in those senior positions are usually marginalised and disadvantaged. This Report will go a long way in ensuring that we have a balance in this country in terms of employment."
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"content": " Mover, please reply now."
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"speaker_name": "Mandera West, UDM",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I beg to reply. The Committee not only looked at employment on ethnic basis, but it also looked at employment diversity in public institutions and not private because the Constitution is slightly silent on the mandate of this Committee as to whether we are also able to look at the private sector. But since we are coming up with an amendment to the Bill, the House can guide and also include the private sector. The Committee looked at employment diversity in terms of age, gender, ethnicity, race, religion, disability and socio- economic backgrounds. That is what is envisaged. Yesterday, as Members were contributing, they talked a lot about the levels or classes of employment. If you look at the complete Report, we have senior level, middle cadre level and lower level. So, when we talk about a university somewhere in Western Kenya which I mentioned yesterday and raised some very hot discussions, 78 per cent of the staff come from one ethnic community. If somebody wants to look at the levels, it is there in the full Report. Please check. You will find that probably, the majority are in the lower cadre. But what the Constitution says is diversity and equal opportunity in all cadres. It does not tell us about lower or the higher cadre. This is the second Report. I tabled the first Report before this and it is still in the process somewhere. That first Report is the one that covers majority of the bigger institutions such as KRA. Yesterday, there was debate on statistics of merging communities like the Mijikenda. We derive our levels of ethnic communities from the Kenya Bureau of Standards. The highest community in terms of population ratio in Kenya, as far as the national population is concerned, is 17 per cent. The law allows up to 30 per cent of employment opportunities to be taken up by one community. We are coming up with an amendment of the law which says that the maximum a community can take is 20 per cent. If the highest is 17 per cent in terms of population ration and we have even added 3 per cent, there should be no complaint if we are looking at equity and equality. We are going to have more reports. We are going to have at least one report every quarter and see. I am also requesting this House to support the National Cohesion Integration Bill, 2023 when it comes up for discussion here. Let them support it and include whatever small issues like private sector by decreasing or increasing the quota system. Hon. Temporary Speaker, today, we have a crisis of employment. It is a time bomb we are sitting on, particularly for the youth. Trying to expand employment should be our priority. Otherwise, it is very dangerous. You saw what Gen-Zs did to us the other day. It is because majority of them are unemployed. If they were employed, they would not have had time to come and attack Parliament. With those few remarks, I beg to move."
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"content": " A matter arose yesterday during debate. This had something to do with the business Parliament transacted around the Motion. Do you remember the matter of the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) officers? You remember the Cabinet Secretary was privileged to answer in Parliament. Yesterday, it was alleged that the matter went to court. The court nullified those employments on account of the matters you are dealing with. Despite even the court order, those people are all working. That is in defiance of the Article 232 of the Constitution that you are pushing through this Motion. What do you say to that? How do you want to deal with that as you reply? The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "There was balance in public service within the Parliamentary Service Commission. How soon are you doing a Report around that? I can tell you that members of various communities outside here are murmuring about it. For obvious reasons, you know they cannot speak aloud lest they face consequences that may not be good. There are communities saying they are not being employed in Parliament and those in Parliament are not being promoted. Promotions come where they are qualified and yet, they are just stagnant. We have the Wamakonde within Parliament. You need to make a comment on how fast you want to go into the Parliamentary Service Commission. Have a report here so that we can be a good example as the institution that helps implement the laws we make. What do you say to those two?"
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"content": " The KRA is the first. I think this Committee raised the first red flag. There were even attempts by bigger authorities to stop the KRA from coming to this Committee. We did it ultimately. We were the first to raise the alarm and it went to the papers. That is where whoever took them to court got the information from. It is true that the court has ruled that, that recruitment was illegal. It was actually illegal. They appealed. The court gave them time. Status quo remains until the matter is concluded. That is why those employees are still there. You know the court takes too long, sometimes. We could have concluded it a long ago if it was within the powers of this Committee. However, it is now within the court. We were also told not to indulge in matters that are in court so much."
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