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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on a point of order. Why would the Senator of Nandi County, a student of Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda Odhiambo, SC, be surprised when Professor is in Addis Ababa accompanying ‘ Baba’ himself? Professor is an outstanding member and a Senator of Kisumu County. In the spirit of broad-based government, why would you limit him?"
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"content": " Sen. Ogola, you have made your point and that is not a point of order. It is actually a point of information, which I believe Sen. Cherarkey has noted and taken up the information as to why the hon. Professor was part of the delegation in Addis Ababa. Proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, as I conclude."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. In the rule of relevance, could the Senator for Nandi County help me understand the relevance of what took place in Longisa Hospital, very unfortunate, to the matter at hand, National Rating? Could he help me?"
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, please, proceed to give Sen. Boni relevance of the comments, as regards to what transpired in Longisa Hospital and the Motion that is being debated."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the reason I brought up the issue of Longisa Hospital is because, first, this House is sensitive and alive to other matters that happen, because we are leaders. Secondly, I wanted to drive the point home on the role of valuers. Sen. Ogola, has highlighted the requirements of you being employed. One of them is that we must get approval from a relevant professional body. That is why I brought the relevance that the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "nurses who delegated their duty should lose their license, just like valuers or government valuers who do not do their job. That is how I was driving my point home. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, last weekend, I saw Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale hosting the President, and the prayers were being done. He did not speak anything about prayers. Instead, he spoke about building a road from Nairobi to Malaba because it is congested. That was not relevant to the event of the day, but I am happy he made his point. That is the relevance I was bringing. On the issue of Chief Government Valuer, I would like to appeal to county governments; I do not see the reason why we should push the national Government to hire valuers. There are many young people, who are graduands of valuation and land economics. They are all over. I am happy Prof. Tom Ojienda wrote a book called ‘Principles of Conveyancing’, and ‘forced’ us to read through. I do not know whether he wanted to sell the book or he wanted us to get the knowledge. In ‘The Principles of Conveyancing,’ valuation and rating of valuation of property is critical. There are many valuers. I would like to appeal to county governments on the issue of depending on the national government to give you Chief Government Valuer, and the Physical Planner. In North Rift, for instance, we only get him in Eldoret, yet there is Nandi, Uasin Gishu and Elgeyo-Marakwet Counties. Why do the county governments not hire these professionals? Why do we not have valuers? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has pointed out a critical point; that, when you go to townhouses that my sister referred to, you still get some charging Kshs300 or Kshs500, and I am not saying they should charge more rent, because the last time they did rating of those houses was ‘19- keti chini,’ when the exchange rate of a dollar was Kshs20 or Kshs50. I am happy that the Public Service Commission will be the one doing the appointment of the Chief Government Valuer. The Commission, and I insist, should, as they do approval of the Chief Government Valuer, always be absorbing interns. The Public Service Commission has started a bad culture where they get young people as interns, train them, then throw them in the streets. Since we use government resources and money, we should absorb those young interns, so that we do not experience problems with the Gen Zs. If the Government has given you an intern for six months, you have trained and given them capacity, why would you throw them back to the streets? They should start a process of absorbing them into the system. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am the cognizant of the fact that Prof. Tom Ojienda is an Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) Member. However, I was surprised that he is also in the technical team of African Union Commission (AUC) chairmanship bid of Raila Odinga. On a lighter note, I am yet to receive endorsement from Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale in regards to Raila Odinga’s bid. Perhaps he has said in Kiluhya, but I hope he will say it in English and Kiswahili, on a national platform, so that we hear the bullfighter taking his bullfighting to AUC and endorse Baba there. In conclusion, the issue of supplemental valuation roll is critical, especially when it comes to the Finance Bill that goes to the counties. I agree that the County Assembly must approve going into the future, so that it becomes easy. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "With those remarks, this is a good mediated version of the National Rating Bill, and I hope we will pass it to allow counties and the national Government to do rating. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, when the National Assembly tried to pass the Finance Bill, 2024, I had seen a proposal of a number of taxations which did not affect the mwananchi in order to raise Kshs170 billion meant to fill in the deficit. Therefore, as we raise the Kshs170 billion, I request the Government to return Kshs20 billion for the allocation to counties for them to get Kshs402 billion. Some of the taxes that were supposed to be introduced in the Finance Bill did not have any relationship with the local mwananchi . Some of them were carbon taxes and eco taxes, where, if you have an iPhone or a Samsung and it expires or becomes obsolete, how is it destroyed? That was why we wanted to introduce the eco tax in the Finance Bill, 2024. This tax was targeting the manufacturers of phones, cars and electronics. We would like Kenyans to understand that, and I hope with the national rating, we can resolve some of these problems we are facing, and assist financial institutions, governments and Kenyans. With these remarks, I congratulate the Committee that did the mediation version and I hope that when it comes to voting, we shall pass it, so that we allow counties and the national Government to do rating of properties and allow complete asset valuation roll and fiscal discipline. This will also allow county governments which we protect under Article 96 to raise and ensure that they meet targets of own-source revenue in their counties. I beg to support and thank you."
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