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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this amendment. However, I have a drafting issue which I would like to bring to the attention of the Chair. The 24 months is appropriate, but I am thinking in terms of legal drafting. I have a concern about how legal terms and phrases such as “non-compliance of something” have been put in negative. It should be re-worded to say: “Those who will not have complied within a certain number of months will either be removed from the role”, or read: “All eligible community workers will have undertaken the courses under the Second Schedule within 24 months of the enactment of this Bill.” The import of the way it is drafted is having 24 months after the enactment of this Act. Thereafter, you are now saying they are eligible. I am not sure but something is lacking. Maybe, the people in legal can weigh in on this to advise whether the drafting is legally neat. I support the amendment itself."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Thank you. Let me give the Vice-Chairman a chance and then come to you, Chair."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support today's amendment. Health education is the most important thing you can give to the community. Community health workers are always available to give out health education to our people because we do not have enough doctors and nurses to go around educating people about health. Most diseases can be prevented if people get the right health education. That is the essence of public health. It is when people get the right health education. It becomes very tricky when we give people jobs as community health workers and yet, we do not give them any skills to take up the job. You, at times, attend a function and listen to a community health worker teaching about a disease. You go out wondering whether people do not go home more misled than they were. I support this amendment. We need basic training. Not very complicated training. We need basic training in things like counselling and psychology. We are living in a country where things like depression are becoming a major health issue to us as a country. Community health workers are the people who are best-placed to deal with things like depression in the community. They are well-integrated with the people. People trust and listen to them. I support that we need basic training to make them good community health promoters. I support, Hon. Temporary Chairlady."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Thank you very much, Vice- Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health. Let us have the Chairman. You may want to respond to the matter raised by the Member for Mathare."
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"content": " For the comfort of Hon. Oluoch, the new Clause reads: “Within 24 months upon the commencement of this Act, the Council shall ensure that community health promoters who immediately before the commencement of this Act have not undertaken the courses prescribed, shall undertake any of the courses prescribed in the Second Schedule for purposes of registration as a community health promoter under this Act.” We are saying that community health promoters must have done another course to be registered. I do not think there is anything wrong with the drafting. We are giving the Council time to allow community health workers who have not undertaken any course to have time to do so, so that they can be registered. The duration proposed will give them time to take the required courses. Community health workers who have already undertaken the courses do not need to re-take them. However, we must limit the duration to ensure those who have not done the courses do them within the proposed time. Subsequently, we can be admitting community health workers based on certain minimum qualifications."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Hon. Anthony Oluoch, what is your last comment on this?"
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"content": " For the record, I support. I have many community health workers in my Mathare Constituency. My issue on drafting is a technical legal issue. It is fine if you are comfortable with the drafting. I am reading from this that you are proposing that certain people can continue working as community health promoters for 24 months without having to be subjected to the courses. They have a window of 24 months."
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